Separated at Birth?

August 30, 2008 in 2008 Election, Republicans

by Rebecca Schmitz

Let’s see, a Governor who wants to end wasteful government spending; a former star athlete who’s a cheerleader for increased natural resource extraction; an outsider placed in a position of power; an anti-choice, anti-science Christian who promises reform; a small businesswoman, devoted wife and mother fond of poufy hair and interesting eyewear; a historic candidate whose first term in office is already marred by scandal. Gee, this lady

sounds an awful lot like this lady.

Ask yourselves, do you really want to see another Judy Martz just a heartbeat away from the presidency?

27 Replies

Rebecca

August 30, 2008 at 9:13 am

And yes, Wiley Cody, I plagiarized that “heartbeat away from the presidency” phrase, because no one in the history of the English language has ever, ever used it before.

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Debby Jones

August 30, 2008 at 9:41 am

Yeah, but lemme axe you dis. How gud she is at scrubbing the blood out of the laundry? And can she do it on the quick pace like that Judy?

That’s the real quessin. Mhmm.

Judy sho could.

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Ayn Rand

August 30, 2008 at 11:37 am

I would expect thie rant from an athiest. Well done. I can hardly wait for more of your bombastic reasons to not vote for a ticket with a women on it.

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Jamal

August 30, 2008 at 11:42 am

She might sound like that other lady, but she sure don’t look like her!

Hmm-hmm! Sho nuf!

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JC

August 30, 2008 at 2:10 pm

Actually, Ayn, bombastic, and anti woman-on-the-ticket reasons aren’t needed for not voting for a ticket with republicans on it, even though there are plenty of bomb-bastic reasons for not voting for a war-mongering “bomb, bomb, bomb… bomb, bomb Iran…” McCain. Particularly with a republican VP nominee with zero foreign policy experience who will be as Rebecca (and millions more will) plagiarized, “a heartbeat away from the presidency.”

The Palin pick reveals the hypocrisy of republican’s experience and judgement arguments about Obama. Either the argument isn’t valid, and the Palin pick is OK and republicans can STFU about Obama’s experience–which is far greater than Palin’s in any case–and judgement (can anybody say that Biden isn’t ready to step into the presidency at a moment’s notice?). Or the argument is valid, and the Palin pick seals republican defeat with McCain’s impulsive actions revealing his poor judgement and risky behavior.

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Patia

August 30, 2008 at 2:44 pm

But they’re both such CUTE little lapdogs!

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deb

August 30, 2008 at 7:08 pm

Rebecca, your “Sarah Palin = Judy Martz” is precisely my first thought when I heard about McCain’s pick.

(Well, my first thought after : WTF? Who? Whaaaa?)

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Big Swede

August 30, 2008 at 7:39 pm

Hiss, hiss meeooow.

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Jay Stevens

August 30, 2008 at 9:59 pm

I’m with “deb,” I was thinking, damn! A national Martz! And frankly, given McCain’s health issues, I think it’s a legitimate concern who McCain’s VP is. This woman looks noway ready for prime time.

Now, that’s different than the “experience” mantra people use against Obama in both the primary and general. After all, it’s not experience that’s at issue, it’s ability. And given how Obama’s campaign is run — probably the biggest and best campaign in presidential history — I’ve no doubt as to Obama’s ability. In fact, he’s clearly more able to run a large organization than McCain, who doesn’t know what the Google is, for all of McCain’s “experience.”

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problembear

August 30, 2008 at 10:07 pm

and please tina fey if you are reading this can i write the skit for you playing sarah palin on saturday night live and can steve martin play mcCain as “the jerk”…and can you play sarah as the biker chick? please can i write it please??

SNL already missed the opportunity to have mike play Judy Martz as “the church lady” like i suggested so could i write the skit can i huh?

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goof houlihan

August 31, 2008 at 10:35 am

It’s the two on the Obama/Biden ticket, problembear, who have both invented their biographies. Obama, “raised by a single mother in Kansas” and “just a guy in the neighborhood” and Biden, “I’m the first in my family to go to college”.

Seems totally in line with “I was born a black sharecropper’s son” from The Jerk.

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problembear

August 31, 2008 at 10:47 am

sorry goof- your little divertissimo won’t play in peoria, but nice try. mcCain is perfect as the jerk and his sidekick can kick his butt quite literally and we all want to see it- it’s gold!

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goof houlihan

August 31, 2008 at 11:58 am

Peoria is BHO’s to lose, I think. But getting busted in outright lies will play elsewhere.

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problembear

August 31, 2008 at 12:48 pm

lies are the stock and trade of the current administration goof. that broad brush of slander republiregurgitants try to paint on Obama washes off with every rainstorm. change is coming because we are tired of being lied to by sycophants for the wealthy class. this pick by mcCain only shows how desperate the ruling class is to hold on to power. Sarah Palin is chosen to try to delude the public once again that the crumbling facade of ruling aristocracy is no longer old and out of touch with common americans. it won’t work. Americans are too smart now thanks to Bush’s friends plundering of america treasury while 95% of us who are not rich continue being taken to the cleaners by Bushco and affiliates for eight years.

i am guessing that you are a good person and are motivated by your sincere beliefs.
but, speaking for myself the only four reasons i can see to support McCain would be that you;

1. are wealthy yourself
2. work for the wealthy
3. like being taken to the cleaners

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problembear

August 31, 2008 at 1:08 pm

4. would be: are so ignorant that you don’t even know what the vice president does.
link to: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0808/12969.html

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goof houlihan

August 31, 2008 at 2:07 pm

Yeah, those are me, all right.

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problembear

August 31, 2008 at 3:01 pm

well, it all makes sense then, goof- about all that republicagurgitation. how much are they paying you?

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Rebecca

August 31, 2008 at 3:31 pm

Goof, I read your impassioned defense of Palin and McCain on jhwygirl’s thread. A few thoughts:

I don’t think Palin was chosen to appeal to Hillary’s supporters (you’d have to be a moron to think any woman who voted for HRC would vote for Palin just because she has a vagina, and that’s all those voters care about). I’m not overly concerned about her experience or lack thereof. What I care about is something that you’ve cared about in the past, too: her connection to the religious right.

I think McCain chose her for two (maybe three) reasons. The first is that connection; she energizes social conservatives. She’s anti-abortion, anti-gay marriage (despite what you’ve posted elsewhere on other blogs, she would, if the courts would let her, support an anti-gay marriage amendment to the Constitution and deny benefits to same-sex couples–just look at what she said when she ran for the Governor’s seat) and pro-creationism. By picking her, John McCain has announced all out warfare on Roe v. Wade. He’s never been comfortable expressing his faith–if he has any at all. Palin will cover that base, and reassure wary evangelicals he’ll advance their agenda.

Secondly, she burnishes his maverick image. Ooooo, McCain’s chosen an outsider just like himself. In Wulfgar!’s words, what “mavericky maverickness” to have the balls to choose Palin! You said on the other thread you supported John McCain in 2000. If I may put words in your mouth, you’ll do so again this year because of this supposed independence, of which Palin’s choice is yet another sign. Read Matt Welch’s McCain: The Myth of a Maverick when you get a chance, and you’ll see why John McCain wasn’t even the John McCain of 2000. He’s spent the last eight years pandering to the very people you dislike. And Palin’s pick shows that, if elected, he’ll spend the next four doing the same. She’s definitely not an outsider if she’s on the ticket just to advance the tired old “god, guns and gays” type of politics. John’s not a maverick; he’s just another politician.

I guess I’m one of your “elitist true progressives who know what’s good for women”. Maybe I am, maybe I do. If I do, it’s this: what’s the use of electing a woman to high office if she doesn’t even trust, on a very basic level, other women? What’s the use of electing a self-styled “maverick” and an outsider if they’re only going to continue the same policies and politics that have failed this country so miserably in the past?

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Jay Stevens

August 31, 2008 at 7:42 pm

But Rebecca, McCain was a POW!

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goof houlihan

August 31, 2008 at 11:00 pm

Jay, here’s a viral rumor for ya, from daily kos, “Well, Sarah, I’m calling you a liar. And not even a good one. Trig Paxson Van Palin is not your son. He is your grandson. The sooner you come forward with this revelation to the public, the better.”

If I have to choose between the daily kos-ers, and the Sarah Palin’s, I’ll pick Sarah. And in fact, that is what I have to choose from.

At least there’s McCain, who has been acknowledged as one of the moderates in the Senate, vilified for it by the “real republicans” even, and praised for it by the democrats. I can’t remember the appellation, the “something six” for the six republican senators.

But he’s evil now, I see , because he stands between you and your goal, and whatever it takes, see the quote above, will be done by “true progressives” to make sure that the goal is met. It’s like war, isn’t that what Saul Alinsky wrote? And, after all in war the ends do justify the means, right? Where do you think Rove learned the rules he follows, eh?

And you, Jay, follow those “rules for radicals” perfectly, don’t you, with your “secret indictment” calumny?

Well I believe a person governs exactly as they campaign, and I just saw a fine McCain ad congratulating Obama on his nomination. On the other hand, I remember Reed and Bush’s operatives going after McCain in much the same way you took after Burns.

And look how Bush governed.

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goof houlihan

August 31, 2008 at 11:20 pm

Hitchens, a guy that echoes my feelings towards fundamentalism in government, Rebecca, says it better than I can:

http://www.slate.com/id/2198957/

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Rebecca

September 1, 2008 at 9:18 am

I like Chris Hitchens too, Goof.

Conservatives are never very good at discussions about class, unless, like you, they want to level the charge of “elitism” at liberals. Don’t like Sarah Palin’s politics? Then you’re an elitist because she’s got a blue collar background. Aren’t offended by Barack Obama’s “clinging to religion and guns” comment? Then you’re a elitist because you hate small town America. Mention Wasilla is a small town? Repeat answer ad nauseam, ad infinitum…

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Rebecca

September 1, 2008 at 9:19 am

Correction: conservatives *and* Republicans. I know you’re not the former, Goof.

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Wulfgar

September 1, 2008 at 10:24 am

I don’t think Palin was chosen to appeal to Hillary’s supporters (you’d have to be a moron to think any woman who voted for HRC would vote for Palin just because she has a vagina, and that’s all those voters care about).

Rebecca, I respectfully yet strongly disagree with you. Read the statements from prominent Republican shills and bloggers and you see that the *exact* expectation is that women are dumb enough to vote the similar genitalia. Is that expectation moronic? Absolutely. That’s argument that the modern republican party does sincerely consider the voting public to be morons. That carries through their entire national narrative: ‘we’re morons so voters must be as well’.

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Rebecca

September 1, 2008 at 10:29 am

Yeah, I saw where Erik Iverson said something to the effect that women who voted for Hillary should be excited about Palin’s pick. I wanted to include it in this thread, but I couldn’t find the Lee Newspapers’ article online. So I just said “moron”. Close enough.

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JC

September 1, 2008 at 11:46 am

“If I have to choose between the daily kos-ers, and the Sarah Palin’s, I’ll pick Sarah. And in fact, that is what I have to choose from.”

Well, that’s sort of like me saying “if I had to pick between Joe Biden and MichelleMalkin.com, I’d pick Joe.”

Actually, the choice here is which VP would be better suited to stepping in to the presidency, should something happen to the prez. I’m comfortable with Joe Biden taking the reigns. Sarah Palin terrifies me.

I see absolutely no evidence that she has any qualifications, other than age and citizenship, for being president.

Even Judy Martz has better credentials–8 years in the governor’s office (four as lieutenant)–than Palin. Not to mention she owned and ran a garbage business, so she has real life executive and administrative experience too! ;-)

I’ll repeat my assertion that the McCain-Palin ticket needs to be examined from the viewpoint of Palin as prez. And if you are not comfortable with her in that role, then vote accordingly.

If you are comfortable with her as prez, then it makes a sham of McCain’s “Country First” theme, as Palin as prez is anything but putting the country first. It is putting ideology and identity politics first.

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Jay Stevens

September 1, 2008 at 4:22 pm

First, considering an anonymous post on a open community blog to be representative of a movement is absurd. Second, all you’ve got on me is a post I wrote two years ago speculation on a rumor about Conrad Burns, a guy who stood by (for $5K) as Taiwanese girls were sold into sex slavery? Surely you could do better than that.

As for McCain, 8 years ago the Senator did have a record of bucking the party line. When he lost that election, he did a 180. The worst stuff you’ve criticized Bush for, McCain supports. War in Iraq. War in Iran. He gets up and decries torture, then turns around and votes to allow the US to torture detainees. He’s been working for 8 years to kiss up to Christian conservatives; he’s retracted every statement he made against Bush’s tax cuts for the wealthy. I don’t see “evil,” I see a desperate old man who’ll do anything to win the nation’s highest office, and a man who has neither the vision or leadership to bring about practical solutions to the problems that plague us.

My goal is upfront and obvious. I want some real leadership and a government that works for the people, not for a bunch of Fortune 500 companies.

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