by jhwygirl
The legislature will see two bills associated with public access at county bridges this session – HB26, proposed by Rep. Ken Peterson, of Billings and HB190, proposed by Rep. Kendall Van Dyk, also of Billings.
How’s that for a showdown?
Van Dyk’s bill has gotten a large amount of press, for the tremendous amount of work that has gone into it, seeking compromise between recreational users, recent litigation, private property owners and special interest groups like the Montana Stockgrowers Association – in the Missoulian, in the Billings Gazette, and more recently, at Left in the West.
Me? I focused on Peterson’s bill in this post. It didn’t get a lot of love.
Today was the hearing on Van Dyk’s bill, which went late – but mainly due to a tremendous amount of testimony in support of the bill.
…but getting to the question: Why does the Montana Stockgrower’s Association hate counties?
The bill crafted by Rep. Kendall Van did include input from the Montana Stockgrowers Association – but they have problems with granting access at all county bridges. Some, they say, are only prescriptive in nature – roads that have been used for a length of time, but lacking any formal approval process by the county. At those bridges – presumably one of them is located at lobbyist for the Montana Stockgrowers Association John Bloomquist’s client’s property – the Stockgrower’s would want to see the width of the county road shrunk to the width of the bridge.
Now, I’m seeing that as problematic for a few reasons. One being that state law has set the width of county roads at 60 feet for more than a century – hell, for nearly 125 years. Many of these roads are shown on some of the first maps of the territory. Frankly, if an actual historic review was done of some of these roads, it is quite possible that the historic prescriptive use of these roads was much wider than the 60 foot standard. Wagons made ruts and huge holes that gathered water. Roads could get pretty wide in the old days to accommodate that stuff.
Secondly, shrinking that width to the width of the bridge – thereby cutting off public access – would hamstring counties for bridge maintenance and any future changes to transportation infrastructure in the future. Extra width is needed for maintenance. Need an additional lane for traffic? Want to add a bike lane? Add a center lane? Forget about it under the stance the Montana Stockgrower’s Association’s position.
Legislators should think carefully when contemplating any legislative action that might impact counties. Often we Montanans get legislation that ends up creating more (think gravel pits and the 2005 Legislative Session) problems than the fixes the original legislation intended to correct.
This access issue, and the attempts to add some sort of so-called prescriptive clause, is a prime example of a disaster-in-waiting.
Peterson’s bill is scheduled for Friday at 3 p.m. I see that bill as a weakening of the public’s and the county’s claim to public roadway mainly because it requires the public to pay for reconstruction of bridges that encroach in the public roadway. I don’t see any reason why the public should be footing private property located in pubic roadway. Frankly, I see it as a liability. Now, to be fair, Van Dyk’s bill allows for public funds to be used to reconstruct fences, but only after a mediation process with Fish, Wildlife and Parks and the affected property owner.
But why, pray tell, would the Montana Stockgrower’s Association want to weaken the public’s right to use public roads? Why would it want to hamstring counties into possibly having to pay for access to its own roads in the event of widening or maintenance?
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January 13, 2009 at 9:11 pm
i believe many of the small ranchers who belong to this organization must be ashamed of their lobbyists who attempt to scam the public trust of our historic right of ways with scurilous underhanded anti-public tactics and shameful greedy behind the scenes arm-twisting.
of course, it only takes a few wealthy out of state ranchers to pay enough to get their way. GOLD + LOBBYISTS + POLITICIANS = BAD LAW
let’s hope some ethics are found in Helena to allow public access to our waterways from our roads just the way they have always and should always be.
January 13, 2009 at 10:47 pm
Glad you wrote about it. It’s not the first legislator to pass bills to enrich themselves. Where are all the deregulators who shorted MT Power stock? Why didn’t they…run for governor?
Because disclosing financial details wouldn’t have been good….for business.
January 14, 2009 at 6:33 am
More I thought about it last night – I kinda fired that post out – the more I got mad. I hope there are attorneys up there advising these legislators and I hope they listen (alas, I reiterate, think gravel pits and 2005 legislative session)…
Thing is – calling or claiming anything is “prescriptive” denotes some sort of court determination. In other words, one doesn’t get to “claim” a prescriptive right and it’s all over – the strength of that claim comes in a court ruling which costs money and time – and extraordinary amount of both, usually.
I’ve had individuals tell me that they have a prescriptive to hunt x area because they’ve been walking up such-and-such for the last 25 years and so has y and z. I ask if the person whom owns such-and-such knows? Because key to prescriptive is it being done under the knowledge of the owner. Then I ask if they have the money to back it up – because the owner is going to disagee with you and you are going to need money for that battle.
The legislators, if they cave to the Montana Stockgrower’s Association here, are creating mine field for the public, for counties, and for the courts. Huge number of bridges would bring litigation – and how many people in the public want to come to find out that, possibly, they have no right whatsoever to drive down what they thought was a county road?
Because that could be the end-game result – no prescriptive right whatsoever. There is no guarantee to any prescriptive right until the judge decrees it. Forget about the width – that’s icing on the cake.
Yi yi yi.
January 14, 2009 at 8:19 am
Apparently there are some attorneys who gave testimony yesterday, agreeing with you j-girl. See this morning’s Billings Gazette/
January 14, 2009 at 9:36 am
The Montana Stockgrowers Association are less and less relevant to voters and taxpayers in Montana. So, I reckon this is a classic power play to let everyone know they are still in the room.
What it does is send the message that they don’t play well with others. That’s right, y’all work out a compromise and we’ll torpedo it at the last moment. Classic.
Most bullies end up bitter and lonely. I hope the Stockgrowers get alienated for their behavior, too.