Missoula Restaurateurs Testify in Support of Cutting Minimum Wage

by jhwygirl

Today was the Senate Business, Labor & Economic Affairs committee hearing for SB254, and SB253, which would allow an employer tip credit against the minimum wage, both proposed by Sen. Donald J Steinbeisser.

SB254 would eliminate increases to minimum wage based on the cost of living index (normally around 2.5 to 3 percent per year), freezing it at the current $6.90 per hour. SB253 would allow employers a tip exemption for the hourly wage, allowing them to deduct tips from the hourly wage to an amount of the current $6.90 per hour.

Tipped employees wages would freeze at $6.90 an hour providing their tips made up any increases in minimum wage.

Adding further mess to Steinbeisser’s two proposed bills, in SB253, the minimum wage would be indexed to inflation. It just “sticks it” to tipped wage earners.

Montana is one of the few states that does not allow a tip credit – but I’ll also point out that Montana ranks at the bottom of the list of state’s in terms of median income.

Montana’s minimum wage was increased by inflation because of overwhelming support for Initiative 151. That initiative passed with a vote of 285,535 to 107,294. Sen. Donald J Steinbeisser wants to reverse that.

How’s them’s bananas?

SB254 was blogged about here. Please note that there was no executive action (i.e., vote) taken today, and it is not too late to contact the committee members, letting them know how you would like them to vote. Contact information is in that post.

But who was there to testify in favor of the tip credit SB253? Restaurant lobbyists and owners were apparently there in force: Brad Griffin of the Montana Restaurant Association; Blu Funk of Restaurant Showtime in Big Fork and Chairman of the Montana Restaurant Associaton; Jon Bennion of the Montana Chamber of Commerce; Hu Hot’s owner Linda Vap from Missoula, who owns 3 Hu Hot’s; Casey Ryan, owner of Famous Dave’s and Applebee’s in both Missoula and Bozeman; Rob Smith, of Outback Steakhouse’s; Bob Miller of the Bearclaw Bar & Grill in Mcallister. In general, restaurant owners testified that they can not meet these increases in wages – that tipped employees were taking home more in tips than their managers make, in amounts of more than $1,300 a month in the rural towns in central Montana, at places like Eddie’s Corner, a truck stop.

Opponent Keith Kelly, Commissioner of the Montana Department of Labor & Industry testified that this bill would apply to a huge swath of positions – not just waiters and waitresses – people like taxi drivers, hotel staff, and barbers and beauticians. He noted that while the committee had heard from restaurateurs that faced rising costs, but he questioned by the increase in costs to the employee weren’t being focused on – that the employees faced increase costs in gas and groceries and every day costs. That it is these people, in the lowest wage scales, that spend their money in the market – so cutting wages is contradictory to trying to help the economy. “It spirals the economy down quicker,” he said. Kelly questioned why people who leave tips should be leaving tips to help an employer meet minimum wage. Isn’t that the obligation of the employer? Kelly noted that few people make 20% tips, from surveys that they have conducted.

{{applause for Keith Kelly, please}}

Testimony for SB254 went essentially the same way with the same people.

All in all, I have to say, I don’t buy it. Cutting wages and holding back on wage increases simply is the wrong way to go in this economy. Virtually all economists agree with that. In congress, right now, they are working very hard – people like Senators Baucus and Tester – to get money back into the hands of regular people on Main Street.

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  1. owners of restaurants looking to cut themselves in on the tips we give to their employees of our own free will….this is greed beyond all sense of decency.

  2. The idea that – and they are clearly using the economy as a crutch in their support of this – restaurants should be legislatively made immune from the current economic situation while everyone else deals with it as they must seems unfair, also.

    I sympathize with their situation – but everyone – including their employees – are in the same boat. It’s not as if the current economic situation has only hit restaurants – but you wouldn’t know that from the testimony.

    There was also a good bit of testimony there saying “the voters wouldn’t have voted for this if they new congress was going to raise minimum wage.” Really? Wow. Given the numbers in I-151, I don’t know how they could stand there and say something so patently untrue.

    Shameless.

  3. Hu Hot’s owner Linda Vapp (sp?) from Missoula, who owns 3 Hu Hot’s; Casey Ryan, owner of Famous Dave’s and Applebee’s in both Missoula and Bozeman; Rob Smith, of Outback Steakhouse’s

    It’s yet another reason not to eat at any of these establishments.

  4. goof houlihan

    Outhouse Steakback is overpriced and awful, and with Bar 3 Barbeque in Bozeman there can be no rational reason to go to Famous Dave’s.

    However, as the parent of a high schooler lookin for work as a dishwasher, or busboy, etc, I’m in favor of a lower starting salary so he can get one, and get started building that job experience. But restauranteurs are severely cutting back on the amount of part time help they are hiring.

  5. klemz

    You want people who have rents to pay to be priced out of entry level jobs in a restricted market so your son can get work he probably doesn’t need? Seriously, Goof.

    While minimum wages across the nation are disgracefully low, talking to people in the industry in Missoula (where 4/5 people in my age group work in restaurants or bars), I’m a little astonished at the gratuity standards here. When I was a bartender in Milwaukee, we actually had a lower minimum-wage for gratuity based jobs (2.30) that the fair labor groups conceded to get the general minimum wage higher. We still made a living wage with tips, and sometimes well above, but I’m not sure that would happen here.

    It’s not native to any segment of the populace or part of town, either. People weren’t tipping at the Obama inauguration party.

  6. Dear Restaurant Owner, I am not leaving a tip today – not because I think the service was terrible, but because I want you to pay your employees a fair and reasonable wage. I don’t think it is fair that I should be responsible for doing so. Just like I don’t feel responsible for paying your utility bills, your rent, your insurance, your food suppliers, the wages of the guy or gal who cleans the bathrooms or the cost of servicing your debts. That’s what the price of the meal is for. Hugs & Kisses, Binky.

  7. Pronghorn

    Perhaps this has been commented upon elsewhere, but if so, I missed it…I noted that Scrooge Steinbeisser is a rancher and sugar beet farmer…do you think we taxpayers are subsidizing HIS livelihood? Do you think he’s OK with that? Maybe some of his profits should come out of his subsidies….what’s good for the goose and all that.

    Yesterday’s Missoulian stated that he knew of ONE woman who quit her bank job because she could make more money as a bartender. So he’s willing to throw thousands of low-paid tipped workers under the bus because of ONE anecdote. Why does shoddy reasoning like this keep appearing in the MT legislature?

  8. Joni

    Thanks for the info!

    I don’t see how anybody can even consider tips as part of wages. They’re expected, but not always given, and they don’t always have anything to do with job performance.

  9. JC

    The restaurant owners are trying to socialize tips. It’s just envy. They see somebody getting something for providing good service, and want it for themselves. Actually, it’s more like theft. Here, let me take money that somebody has given you, and use it to pay your wages.

    Craziness.

    And Goof, no one ever imagined an entry-level minimum wage job came with a “salary.” Will your son’s dishwashing salary include benefits, like health care? Oh, right, you’ll subsidize that, too… Dad. He, he. Some people live in the world of salaries. Some live in the world of minimum (slave) wages. The two don’t see from the other’s world view very well.

    The theory that lowering minimum wages creates more entry level jobs is the great myth of those opposed to minimum wage laws. It just shifts social burdens (like health care) onto other segments of the community.

    And perpetuates a need for things like Food Stamps, and LIEAP, and Child Care resources, and public health care clinics, and… All of the sorts of things that republicans hate to fund. But they still love those declining minimum wage laws.

    And then there’s the payday loan businesses, and pawn shops, and casinos and other nefarious social leeches that spring up to “help” the downtrodden minimum wage earner out of their despair.

  10. must be nice to be so oblivious to any semblance of decency toward humanity to actually appear in public and testify on this mean-spirited greedy bill; much less to have the utter blindness to propose it during these particularly hard times for everyone….no wonder the far right extremists are losing power so quickly when they look this bad…kind of like watching darth vader kick a puppy after losing the force….or rush limbaugh wishing that america fail…or trying to stop montanans from access to our streams…or trying to make it harder to vote……

  11. Charles

    This is pretty low. I know the restaurant biz is tough but this isn’t the way to make it better.
    Let’s think about this on a bit a grander scale..
    Are you sure the “Casino lobby” isn’t in on this as well? My guess is that a very good casino attendant in a busy place with lots of drinkin’ receives far more in tips then the a typical food server.
    Hypothetical internet scenario:
    Lets see, the largest Montana owned chain of Casinos probably has 100 casinos in the state. Figure the “house” keeps an extra 200 bucks a night in “surplus tips” at each one. That’s $20,000 a day x 365 days ( they never close) adds up to $7.3 million in incremental income for the corporation gained each year.
    I made this scenario up but guarantee you somebody at some point has run the numbers and liked what they saw.
    Maybe this isn’t about the single mom waiting on tables at the local cafe folks.

  12. some extra incentive for those lobbyists???!!!

  13. goof houlihan

    No, I don’t expect dishwashing, or (busing?) or even waiting tables to pay for raising a family. I see nothing wrong such jobs being filled with high school and college students who, yes, have insurance from their folks and are working to help pay for costs of college or even to pay for silly things like spring breaks and ski passes.

    I don’t expect the restaurant owners to steal their tips. But I see nothing wrong with entry level wages for unskilled temporary jobs such as these.

  14. I’m wondering why tipped minimum wage earners – who are doing a completely different type of work than untipped miniumum wage earners – would have to give up that gratuity they get? Have to give it back, essentially, to the employer?

    I mean – there’s plenty of non-tipped minimum wage job: the desk clerk at a motel, the kmart stockboy, the $1 store cashier.

    Why do restaurants – keep in mind, it was restaurants that testified against both of these bills (plus the chamber and one casino operator) – get their customers to help pay workers a minimium wage as defined by law and those other employers of minimum wage employees don’t?

  15. klemz

    Most of the time tips aren’t even reported to the IRS. It would be hard to a restaurant to steal them. I’m not sure if that’s a concern.

  16. JC

    klemz, if you go to work waiting at a restaurant, where the policy is for the waitstaff to pool tips, and then redistribute it to all the workers–cooks, bus boys, dishwasher–then the restaurant is taking tips to backfill wages of the other employees. Even if all those wages are minimum.

    Happens all the time. Even here in Missoula. And a waiter/waitress who pockets their tips directly, instead, pretty much gets run out of the job.

    I do know of one restaurant manager who used to take the tips she got while filling in and waiting tables (when someone was sick or on break) would give all of her tips to the staff. She just didn’t feel right taking any tips when she was better paid than everybody else.

  17. Elanor DH

    As a former ski bum who waited tables and cooked their way through college and various periods of rocky mountain nomadism, their opposition to raising the wage is typical and offensive.

    In colorado, they don’t even have to pay a wage to wait staff, and make it all dependent upon tips, thanks to a muscular small business lobby. Talk about externalizing costs… the real people who pay for this are customers.

    Owners whine about the difficulties their businesses face, and troubled times, and what-not… then don’t go into business for yourself if you want your staff and customers to pay all your costs.

  18. klemz

    I started bartending when I was 18 and put in several years before I was done. I’ve never heard of any restaurant pooling tips (outside of the regular practice of servers tipping out bussers and service bartenders at the end of the night). Obviously, the backfilling concern is very real in that situation, so I stand corrected if that’s the case.

    If that’s actually happening I want to know where it is so we can set up a blacklist. Seriously not cool.

  19. klemz

    dead.

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