No Good Guys Here
by lizard

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We will never know what would have happened in Libya had NATO not intervened. Those who think the intervention was justified will state a slaughter was stopped from happening, while some of those obnoxious skeptics may still be wondering who these rebels are, and if handing them the keys to Tripoli will mean better things for Libyans.
Unfortunately for the Rebels, there have been a few credibility issues they have had to deal with since the bombs started dropping:
The International Criminal Court (ICC) decided to issue arrest warrants for Libyan leader Col. Muammar Qaddafi, his son Seif al-Islam, and Abdullah Sanussi, the country’s intelligence chief, on Monday. The three men are wanted on charges of crimes against humanity for their roles in attacks on civilians – including peaceful demonstrators – in Tripoli, Benghazi, Misrata, and other Libyan towns.
While Western governments and the international media have seized the ICC indictment as a much-needed show of moral support for NATO’s controversial / fledgling military campaign, two of the world’s leading human rights organization – Amnesty International and Human Rights Watch – have just announced that their independent, on-the-ground investigations found no credible evidence for the claim that Col. Qaddafi’s forces have used mass rape as a weapon of war. The NGO investigation did reveal that the rebels in Benghazi have repeatedly and knowingly made false claims or manufactured evidence – essentially to bolster their PR case against Col. Qaddafi.
false claims are not even the worst of it. There have been claims that Gaddafi loyalists have been lynched and beheaded, and Cynthia McKinney has sounded an alarm about Mistrata being “cleansed” by rebels of Black Libyans.
Then Gen. Abdul Fattah Younis turns up dead, killed by the side he defected to.
Alexander Cockburn has this to say:
It is surely one of the great strategic screw-ups in the history of war and intelligence analysis. In March, after the second UN Security Council resolution used by NATO to launch its bombing campaign, the predictions were that Tripoli and thus Ghadafi would fall within two or three weeks. Right and left alike, though not yrs truly, said it was a sure thing.
Yet, here the Guide still is, addressing rallies in Tripoli surrounded by a sixth of Libya’s entire population, while in the other end of the country, it seems that one faction in Benghazi, that of Mustapha Abdul Jalil, head of the rebel Transitional National Council, has just murdered Abdel Fatah Younis, commander of the Libyan rebel forces. There are various accounts, none of them attaching the slightest credence to Jalil’s faltering initial suggestions that it was Ghadafi’s guys who did it. One has Younis being taken prisoner on grounds of opening secret negotiations with Tripoli (very conceivably true), then taken to the desert and shot, along with his bodyguard of two colonels; another that he was tortured to death in Benghazi. Either way this renders moot Sen. John McCain’s letter last week to Jalil warning that credible accounts of serious human violations by the rebels were undercutting whatever support the NATO onslaught retained in Congress.
We are beginning to see some very graphic accounts and videos of the actual conduct of the rebels in torturing and executing prisoners and suspected Ghadafi loyalists in Benghazi, not to mention compulsory reimposition of the burka for women and kindred evidence of rabid fundamentalism among NATO’s clients.
Isn’t making life better for women one of the perks of “liberating” these heathen nations with our humanitarian airstrikes?
America’s foreign policy is stupid, dangerous, deceitful, and self-serving. If only it was about saving civilians. But as this non-war war drags on, it’s getting more and more difficult for the Obama administration to maintain their cover story.
July 31, 2011 at 9:17 am
“Averting Libyan massacre” = yellow cake. No good war can be had without casus belli, and where none exists, it is manufactured. there is no more reason to believe in the “NATO” war in Libya than the American attacks on Afghanistan, Pakistan, Iraq, Yemen, Bahrain, Somalia, Panama, Iraq 1, Vietnam, Chile, Indonesia …
The Pentagon. Is a massive comp,ex with many internal functions. The business of war-making exists apart from the propaganda apparatus,, which concocts the reasons.
The extent of involvement of the executive … I don’t know, but I expect he follows, knowing that he can be removed at any time.
July 31, 2011 at 10:27 am
Standing up to bullies is what the US does best whether under a D or under an R.
Remove the executive if he doesn’t toe the Pentagon line, Mark? How John Wilkes Boothian of you. You should seek more effective medication.
The next Obama term will include the rehabilitation of Jimmy Carter’s presidency.
July 31, 2011 at 10:40 am
Lar, naive much?
July 31, 2011 at 10:52 am
I’m not naive, bro.
The redeemer complex is what drives candidates to run for King of the World. It’s what still drives President Carter today.
Expect the world; but be patient unless Mark gets his way and the shadow government offs President Obama.
July 31, 2011 at 11:08 am
I saw Nixon removed, and the Monica thing is highly suspicious. And, in a privately defiance system, money merely goes to someone else. Removal is not so Machiavellian is you make out.
JFK – he was just unlucky. That had nothing to do with his performance, which was top-shelf Cold Warrior. Freak accident.
July 31, 2011 at 11:09 am
Defiance sb financed. Jobspeak.
July 31, 2011 at 12:59 pm
Not my choice. J-whatever makes me do that.
Kennedy was secretly bombing Cambodia, putting missiles in Turkey, and damned near brought us to nuclear war over Cuba. Do you have any idea how close that was? If he was drawing down in Vietnam, and that is debatable, it was likely because he thought the situation in hand.
His killing was the result of a perfect storm, Bobby going after the mob while the mob was working with the CIA to murder Castro. Because of that confluence of events, the mob was able to orchestrate the assassination using CIA assets as decoys, making it appear as though a Soviets were involved, thereby again threatening nuclear war and forcing a cover-up, in which Bobby participated.
Don’t make me explain this again.
July 31, 2011 at 1:29 pm
See? You can be lucid when you choose. Why is the Cuban embargo still in place, Professor?
July 31, 2011 at 1:36 pm
Threat of a good example, punishment for dissing the empire. Embargoes are SOP for bad actors, countries that try to go their own way. I don’t know what you are reading into what I said, but Cuba was in no way involved in the JFK hit.
July 31, 2011 at 1:48 pm
No. Your sketch is good. How do you see the embargo ending?
July 31, 2011 at 3:19 pm
no clue.
July 31, 2011 at 12:15 pm
Jesus, escapee. Get up to date a bit. Read a book or two about the coup. It have EVERYthing to do with his “performance”. The old “Kennedy was a cold warrior” schtick is just stoopid. This is torkarski, isn’t it? Jeez, mark, how many handles you GOT, dude?
July 31, 2011 at 11:01 am
Nader never would have gone in.
July 31, 2011 at 11:45 am
You have no way to know that.
July 31, 2011 at 1:01 pm
Nader would be in office two days before he was assassinated.
July 31, 2011 at 1:15 pm
I thought that and chose not to type it.
http://fora.tv/2011/05/04/LIVE_from_the_NYPL_Ralph_Nader_Ted_Turner__Peter_Lewis
July 31, 2011 at 2:39 pm
Actually I think you’re right Mark.
Killed with a Corvair car bomb.
July 31, 2011 at 3:21 pm
Very good. DNSTC.