tonight i am officially an emoprog.
by problembear
our one chance to actually make great strides in health care reform in this country when obama came into office was squandered when it was handed over to the insurance weasels who wrote the bill that passed.
and tonight obama caved on everything the tea party demanded regarding raising the debt ceiling. it isn’t a done deal yet though. maybe there is still time to put in a rider that we are all to mow the rich people’s lawns twice a week along with losing portions of our SS, medicare, medicaid etc so the wealthy can keep their tax breaks.
of course the white house is desperately spinning this as an end run strategy to allow the tax cuts for the wealthy to expire in 2012. yeah. i will believe that when it happens.
if emoprog is the opposite of alldeadinsideprog, then count me in.
Sanders/Kucinich in 2012 it is time the people of this country were represented.
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July 31, 2011 at 10:22 pm
Sorta told you
July 31, 2011 at 10:24 pm
Worst part is that he’ll be reelected because you and yern will be scared of the mean old Republicans. He’s on his way to a successful presidency!
August 1, 2011 at 7:48 am
OK, Tokorsky, you’ve won me over to your side. I’ll vote Republican next time so we can return to fiscal responsibility and reward the job creators. Thanks for enlightening me.
August 1, 2011 at 8:09 am
Turner, are you under the impression that Obama may win Montana in 2012?
If you live in Montana, you can freely vote for whoever you like for President without worry.
Obama didn’t carry Montana in 08, and he sure as hell won’t carry the state in ’12.
I’m probably going to write in Sanders, unless he runs and I can vote for him on a ballot line.
I’m not voting for the Republican masquerading as a Democrat.
August 1, 2011 at 8:58 am
Actually, I’m more interested in supporting Tester and whoever runs against Daines for Congress than I am in supporting Obama. If the congress (both houses) becomes Democratic, we might see only baby-steps toward progressive change, but at least Obama (assuming he wins) won’t be forced into negotiations with economic terrorists.
As we all know, Obama negotiates like he bowls.
August 1, 2011 at 9:12 am
That worked out well from 2009 to 2011. They are all liars, and we fall for them because they say what they think we want to hear.
August 1, 2011 at 10:39 am
I wish Montana had someone like Bernie Sanders to vote for. But we don’t. A true progressive can’t get elected here. We have to settle for someone who won’t vote to gut Medicare and SS. And someone who will support a Supreme Ct. nominee that isn’t totally in the pocket of big business.
I don’t like some of Tester’s positions, but I’m not aware of him having lied to me about them.
August 1, 2011 at 11:04 am
Well, he lied to a whole bunch of us about his position on wilderness and using environmental riders (like the wolf rider) to move bad policy.
August 1, 2011 at 3:13 pm
He voted against working people with his vote not to cap usurious interest rates and voting against helping people stay in their homes i.e. so- called “cram down”. He was part of the conservative Democrats who pushed the so called reforms of the Cat Food Commission (Bowles/Simpson). Add the environmental mess in his timber jobs bill and his Dream Act vote? John Morrison was upfront about his DLC leanings. But Jon covered them up.
And We had somebody better than Bernie Sanders and that was Paul Richards.
August 1, 2011 at 9:13 am
So you are not enchanted by Republican-masked-as-Democrat Obama, but totally into Republican-masked-as-Democrat Tester. Yes, I totally follow your logic.
Since you guys had control of both houses of Congress from 2008 to 2010 and accomplished diddly, I’m not seeing the logic of getting any of your baby steps if that perfect storm comes around again. What’s the definition of insanity?
August 1, 2011 at 3:31 pm
Tester i sooooooooooo hope isn’t re-elected. I’ll do my best to see that he isn’t. i won’t vote for the -insert vulgar word here Rehberg – but i’ll campaign as hard against Jon buoy as campaigned against this lying hypocrite dirtbag.
If you can recall without vomiting his big hoop-de-doo with Max Clelland on stage in Billings>>> – Jon doing his charade for Peace ‘n Banner Waving – dodging questions and spewing drivel is Lying.
August 1, 2011 at 1:34 pm
WRONG. Scum bag Repugs running for pres – Not a problem; We will not be goaded into lesser of two evils again. We probably won’t vote for them but We won’t punch out anything with ObamanationInc on it.
July 31, 2011 at 10:36 pm
i think one of the motivating factors for those Patriotic Millionaires for Fiscal Strength who make the very reasonable demand to share more of the sacrifice is the understanding that the greater the disparity in wealth the less stable the society in which they must live.
i thought it was interesting David Gregory asked some empty suit about third parties this morning. even the bootlickers broadcasting their corporate talking points from the airwaves of the MSM must be a little worried the spell they cast can’t last forever.
and how do you think this plays in the rest of the world? it must be difficult, from the outside looking in, to understand this collective insanity.
what kind of push-back is possible against total dysfunction?
August 1, 2011 at 1:38 pm
NOT paying your Taxes is a great start. The IRS will have a miniscule cadre to collect – though i might be wrong if everyone collectivly doesn’t pay then the pondscum Military and other so called critical perpetrators of crime like the CIA and the DoJ won’t get paid… it’s like a general strike only different. Though we may all share the same gulag when its over,
July 31, 2011 at 10:51 pm
the dysfunction of our national politics keeps ramping up. at what point does it reach a crescendo?
we have a democratically elected president signing off on robbing the poor to give to the rich.
how much more dysfunctional can it get? is there a third act twist in this movie i am not seeing? or are we being treated to the complete dismantling of a formerly proud country in order to appease insane lunatics in the tea party which 17% of the country supports.
what the hell happened to representation of the other 83% of americans who want to be able to have a job and pay their bills and help the poor AND TAX THE RICH to help bring down the deficit?
even fiction writers must write plots that seem possible. this administration seems to be determined to confound all the laws of script-writing……
and like all poorly written stuff it is being rejected by the audience.
August 1, 2011 at 6:27 am
Tax the rich? Ok, lets take all the rich’s money over 250K.
Iowahawk says it best.
Okay, it’s time to stop messing around. Athletes aren’t the only ones greedily raking it in. What about America’s rich – those fancy pants fat cats living the high life in the above-$250,000 income bracket? According to IRS statistics, these 1.93% of US households are hogging 25% of US income. And why do they need it? For crying out loud, they probably stole it anyway. I say let’s take 100% of every penny they make above $250,000. They can use the rest to pay their state and local taxes. Now we’re talking big bucks, brother. How much? Let’s see…
A: Number of US households: 116,000,000
B: Average US household income: $68,000 (median = $52,000)
C: Total US household income (A * B): $7.89 trillion
D: Percent of households above $250k income: 1.93%
E: Number of households above $250k income (A*D): 2,238,800
F: Percent of national income earned by households making $250k or more = 25%
G: Total income of households making $250k or more (C*F): $1.97 trillion
H: Total income of households in excess of $250k (G – E*$250,000) = $1.412 trillion
Alright! Take that, fat cats! Our $1.412 trillion windfall has us covered for the next 141 days @ 10B/day.
August 1, 2011 at 9:09 am
This is both original and good … however … ah, never mind.
August 1, 2011 at 10:01 am
Why aren’t I surprised that Tokorsky has nothing but praise for Republican talking points? He’s never been anything but a Republican posturing as a nihilist.
August 1, 2011 at 11:03 am
Idiot – it’s the beginning of a quote attributed to Samuel Johnson – “your paper is both good and original. However the parts that are good are not original, the parts that are original are not good.”
It was criticizing Swede’s unquestioning repetition of numbers that he has no clue about.
August 1, 2011 at 11:18 am
Oops. You slipped up and criticized, though very, very gently, a fellow Republican. Be more careful, please.
Remember, your job is to dissuade Dems from voting.
August 1, 2011 at 5:52 pm
My mission is to wake Democrats up. Impossible, I realize, but it never ceases to be fun and interesting.
August 1, 2011 at 12:03 pm
Two problems: 1) this only represents income, and income generated in the U.S. As it is, the top 1% control almost 50% of the wealth in America; and 2) We all know that the rich are very good at hiding income. Instead of claiming that 1.9% “are hogging” 25% of income, how about you tell us how much money–before deductions, credits, etc–those 1.9% are claiming? And how much more income do they have that are counted as capital gains, and not taxed similarly to the rest of the unwashed?
Numbers–always a way to spin them. And the Fox-spinners do it well.
August 1, 2011 at 12:36 pm
Already happening. Seen the price of gold lately?
My only question are you going to break down my door at gunpoint to get it?
August 1, 2011 at 1:41 pm
Why don’t you move to another country.
it’s hard to ignore the slime you bring in. you don’t get it and you never will.
August 1, 2011 at 3:28 pm
Why leave when I can sit comfortably on the sidelines and watch all you parasites such each other dry.
August 1, 2011 at 5:56 pm
You used the term “parasite.” Justify yourself, asshole, as you have laid a huge insult at our feet.
That is perhaps your most ingorant comment ever, and yes, I am aware of the vast swath of ignorant comments of which I speak.
Justify that remark, asshole. Details would help.
August 1, 2011 at 6:28 pm
Thatcher once said (I paraphrase) why does the left hate the rich so much that they want to harm the poor.
I’m the rich, oil rich and ag rich. I’m constantly being bashed here so consider that comment pay back.
August 1, 2011 at 7:19 pm
No, you’re not getting off that easy. You said we were parasites. That’s a right wing epitaph you like to hurl at people. It suits your self-image, rich and prodiictive and us living off you. It’s bullshit.
Let’s see, ag and oil. I’ll bet your ass is subsidized, as those are two of our most heavily subsided occupations. (You know how you farmers double their income? Put up a second mailbox.) Don’t even go to oil subsidies. I lived in that field and know all about them. They are public land welfare queens and got their bullshit depletion allowance and IDC write-off.
Oh yeah, you’re probably knee deep in mortgage interest deductions. Let’s see … Inheritance? Are you a trust baby?
Man you are some kind of leach.
August 1, 2011 at 7:48 pm
Call me what you will.
I pay federal income taxes unlike 50% of the general public.
August 1, 2011 at 8:45 pm
By the way Mark, Putin said the “P” word before me.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/08/01/us-russia-putin-usa-idUSTRE77052R20110801
August 1, 2011 at 8:45 pm
This fits right in with the rest of your bullshit beliefs. You don’t know wtf you’re talking about and I waste my effort explaining anything to you, as nothing sinks in. I could tell you about employment and sales and property taxes and personal property taxes, and not a word would sink in and you’d turn right around and repeat the same nonsense about 50% paying no tax.
Go away, welfare farmer.
August 2, 2011 at 7:53 am
Hey Mark, gold hits new high.
$1635 an once.
August 2, 2011 at 8:17 am
Brilliant. Absolutely brilliant.
August 2, 2011 at 11:21 am
Thanks.
Nothing pisses off a collectivist more than unobtainable assets.
August 2, 2011 at 12:45 pm
What, you hoarding unobtainium these days?
August 2, 2011 at 1:13 pm
Once I got the special suit.
August 2, 2011 at 5:12 pm
Swede you’re impossible because you project all of this evil stuff us based on impressions you gather from what seems to be talk radio? Do you channel Rush? Glenn? You don’t know anything about us but say we’re “parasites” and “collectivists.” It’s both infuriating and frustrating because you don’t have a clue about how much you don’t know about things. Couple that ignorance with haughty arrogance and you become a first-class right winger.
Get a radio show.
July 31, 2011 at 11:03 pm
emoprog bloggers
are stubborn gawkers
too pissed to eat the spin
of Democrat excuses
to stop the abuses
of tea-crazed Republicans
but when you knock my door
or again implore
for some time or hard earned cash
i’m going to bite my tongue
and contain my lungs
because the illusion is dying fast
August 1, 2011 at 8:05 am
Not Sanders/Kucinich. I agree with some of what Jane Hamsher is calling for in her piece “Bernie Sanders to Primary Obama. Don’t make me Laugh.” She calls people like Jan Schakowski, Raul Grijvalva, even Dennis, “the opiate for liberals”. These are the people they trot out to rail and whine about the awful policies and then they cave. Even Dennis caved on the health insurance bill.
Throw them all out. All incumbents must go and it will take three cycles. Hard part is to convince our conservative friends, but it’s worth a try. Having said that, Not sure what to do because the answer is not in electoral politics.
http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2011/07/31/bernie-sanders-to-primary-obama-dont-make-me-laugh/
This attack on the New Deal has been relentless since Obama took office. And it was fairly obvious during the primaries that he was sowing the seeds of generational antagonism to aid him in this mission.
August 1, 2011 at 10:10 am
Right On Montana Maven, The answer is not in Electoral Politics… yes, sadly this Fucking Neo-lib Fascist has brought us to our only solution… Revolution!!!
Damn ObamanationInc to HELL with his cronies Hillary, Emanuel etc
It will be interesting, when the idiot Repugs see their Soc Sec diminished and their medicare vanish and no means to recover it – No Fucking Corp criminal is going to help.
Is there anyone on this blog who still has HOPE ? i hope not.
August 1, 2011 at 9:59 am
I’m promoting the Abbey/Abbot ticket – the first two residential names from my 2009 Missoula Qwest phone book. I’m more sure than ever the W.F. Buckley had it right.
August 1, 2011 at 10:01 am
From the second this sorry Neo-liberal, Fascist Pig came into office i have spelled it ‘ObamanationInc’.
If you think that a CoS of Rahm Emanuel and full on collusion with the Insurance Cartel (all insurance pigs sleep in the same trough) at the outset of his reign is not an indicator of where this Neo-lib was headed One should get educated on Chicago scum politics.
I keep seeing people Waiting for Change All you are going to see is the same Disaster Capitalist politics that ruined many countries over the last 30 years and it’s still going on IE Greece Spain etc.
ObamanationInc is in no way Your Friend or a friend to the Working Class.
ObamanationInc is a Fascist fucking Pig who should experience along with Hillary and his Cabal, immediate arrest, and (no court, no trial ala Brad Manning et al) US Citizenship revoked, deported to some other country and imprisoned for life. Nothing is worse than a Neo-liberal.
August 1, 2011 at 11:44 am
Nothing is worse? Would President Bachmann please you?
You’re pretty fond of hyperbole, aren’t you?
August 1, 2011 at 3:37 pm
Seems you are pushing ‘hyperbole’ with your Bachmann conundrum … NO in fact i’m not pleased – but a Neo-lib is far worse than a >insert vulgar discription of repugs / Bachmann.
Hyperbole ? please – just don’t read my posts then.
August 1, 2011 at 11:23 am
We need Bob Kelleher’s corpse on the ballot its our only hope.
August 1, 2011 at 1:04 pm
Turner,
Please explain how a Bachmann presidency would be materially worse than what we have now — Bush’s 3rd term. In fact, Obama is a better Bush than the original. She’d be sitting on a pat corporate hand.
August 1, 2011 at 1:21 pm
So Bachmann’s idea of an America where gays are outlawed, the Bible is our legislative guide, women’s reproductive rights curtailed, public education gutted, Medicare and Medicaid slashed, Social Security “privatized,” Muslims put in their place, and our country unwilling to pay its bills — this would not be “materially worse” than what we have now?
August 1, 2011 at 1:25 pm
I cut myself off. To continue, however disappointing Obama has been he has accomplished things no Republican would’ve: he reversed DADT, saved the automobile industry, injected some (but not enough) stimulus money into the economy which has saved hundreds of thousands of jobs. Currently, he’s working to reverse DOMA, increase mileage standards, and several other important projects that Republicans don’t care ab out al all.
August 1, 2011 at 1:42 pm
Who cares.
August 1, 2011 at 2:38 pm
If I were gay or a woman or an auto worker, I’d sure care. If I were a college student still on his parents’ health insurance plan, I’d sure care.
Let’s remember this, too, about the current rather bad deal. It doesn’t touch Medicare, SS, and Medicaid benefits. Later on, there’s a chance these benefits might be in danger, but not now.
Everything you’re telling yourself about the deal isn’t true.
August 1, 2011 at 2:56 pm
Now that I know that her husband, Marcus, picks out all her outfits, I would just loooove to see Bachmann in that oval office. Fabulous!
August 1, 2011 at 1:22 pm
And the Dem civil war diaries continue…. next chapter please !
August 1, 2011 at 1:58 pm
fighting republicans is easy. their economic moral compass is skewed way past greedy and easily countered. their socio/religious hybridization of archaic and primitive prejudices outlaws liberty and espouses racism, religious intolerance and outright mysogeny.
i fight against republicans all the time.
the democratic leadership should consider doing it once in awhile. maybe they are simply too nice to effectively engage.
it has been my experience that nice people make bad back watchers.
it isn’t fighting republicans that tires progressives. it is getting trampled by the democratic leadership cavalry who turn and flee in full retreat whenever the republcans say BOO! that tires us.
i for one would appreciate a full apology from democratic leadership all the way from obama on down for their cowardice. and a pledge to uphold principles from now on that were passed down to them. until then, i am through.
August 1, 2011 at 4:57 pm
sick and tired of washington sticking it to the little guy?
take a moment and fill this out to send a message to our congressional representatives……..
http://www.rootsaction.org/index.php
now don’t you feel better? i know i do.