Military Malfeasance

by jhwygirl

It’s the military brass that should go on trial for the massacre of innocents in Afghanistan. I am not making excuses for the hell that Staff Sargent from Fort Lewis Washington reigned down on the people of Afghanistan – let me be clear about that.

Lizard is right – we need to get out. Now. The US has done nothing but inflict illegal war-criminal murder over and over in that nation – I don’t know how you “fix” that. Ever.

But a military that sends a guy on 3 tours such that he is away from his home and family 50% of the time…and declares him fit for duty after a traumatic brain injury needs to stand trial for its malfeasance.

They don’t want to reinstate the draft. They pay these men and women crap. They don’t provide them with adequate training or medical care, and they try to renege on the promises to these people who sacrifice so much.

Hate the mission, not the soldier.

Fort Lewis? Remember Billings Montana Staff Sargent Calvin Gibbs? He was sentenced to life in the last year or so for killing for fun – tossing grenades at Afghani farm kids and then cutting off body parts for trophies.

He, too, with multiple tours.

The real people responsible for this will never be held accountable – from the President who put us there, to the one who has kept us there…to the Senators and congressional Representatives that continue to fund the damn thing (while cutting soldier benefits and pay) while they bellyache about withdrawal proposals which are too fast.

Then we’ve got officers in the line of authority that are making decisions that put these guys out there in the field with a gun in their hand. All from their cozy desks at the Pentagon, which they arrive at after a nice 45 minute commute on the beltway.

How many more shooters are out there? I mean, really?

Listen to this Afghani relay his thoughts on the shooting.

If we’re there for some chivalrous ideal of Democracy, someone needs to check themselves. Democracy by the end of a gun isn’t Democracy. From the Afghani’s perspective, we’re the terrorists, and I can’t blame them at all for believing that.

They’re living it.

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  1. Old Joe

    You ain’t seen nuthin’ yet. Wait ’til the stuff hits the fan here at home. Thanx Max.

  2. lizard19

    this LA Times piece refers to the Tacoma, Washington base, Lewis-McChord, as “one of the most troubled in the Army”.

    GI Voice, a local anti-war veterans support group outside Lewis-McChord that has campaigned for better mental health services, on Sunday called for a congressional investigation into the “multiple crises coming from this rogue base.”

    “In 10 years of war, JBLM has produced a Kill Team, suicide epidemic, denials of PTSD treatment, denials of human rights in the brig, spousal abuse and a waterboarded daughter, murders of civilians (including a park ranger), increased sex crimes, substance abuse… and much more,” GI Voice’s executive director, Jorge Gonzalez, an Iraq war veteran from Lewis-McChord, said in the statement.

    “These abuses are not because of a few bad apples, but because of the base’s systematic dehumanization of soldiers and civilians, both in occupied countries and at home.

    “It’s surprising, but it’s no longer a shock,” Gonzalez added in an interview. “I just keep expecting, what else is going to happen out of this base?”

  3. Over and Out

    You have a really interesting starting point for analyzing the cause of aberrant behavior: Never blame the individual.

    The cause is his supervisor, the company he works for, the Congress, the President, the whole American economic, political, and social system, etc., etc. Blame anyone or anything, but never blame the individual.

    And of course, in the case of extremely aberrant behavior, such as we are dealing with here, the individual must be insane, but that is not his fault, either. Someone or something made him crazy, and then others failed to diagnose him or treat him or pay for his medications, right?

    — Max Bucks

    • JC

      Every man for himself, eh Maxie? Even in the line of duty?

      Doesn’t matter who we blame, the Afhanis will blame whomever they wish. And then our soldiers, our foreign policy, and our “mission” will suffer. And maybe once again our chickens will come home to roost.

      And I don’t s’pose you had a problem with the Mai Lai Massacre, either. Just a bunch of individuals out on rampage no different than some gang activity in LA.

      You’ve got a warped sense of the military when it comes to conduct. Don’t think you’d get very far as a grunt…

      • The_Boneshackler

        Don’t mind him. Mr. Bucks is a misogynistic sociopath.

      • Over and Out

        Your ad hominem, evasive reply was expected. If you cannot explain for an individual’s aberrant behavior without blaming someone or something else, then just say so or shut up.

        Psychopaths exist everywhere. The fact that this one happened to pop up in Afghanistan is of no account. He could have just as easily popped up at Virginia Tech or at a Taco Bell in San Diego. American foreign policy has nothing to do with his actions.

        I am a Vietnam War veteran with 18 months of combat duty. I hold the Meritorious Unit Commendation, the Vietnam Service Medal with three battle stars, the Vietnam Campaign Medal, and the National Defense Service Medal. So you can shut up about that, too.

        I was also in Vietnam when then Mai Lai incident occurred. I wrote the following limerick, which was published in various anti-war newspapers, to describe my feelings at that time:

        ///

        There once was a great apple pie
        That fell on the town of Mai Lai;
        Soon children were found
        Stone dead on the ground
        From gorging themselves on a lie.

        ///

        And you can shut up about that, too.

        — Max Bucks

        • JC

          “Psychopaths exist everywhere.”

          Yep. Your comments remind us of that every day.

        • The_Boneshackler

          Ahhhh….you were damaged in Vietnam. That explains a lot. You might want to read this:
          One In Five Iraq and Afghanistan Veterans Suffer from PTSD or Major Depression

          http://www.rand.org/news/press/2008/04/17.html

        • Over and Out

          I love seeing you tough guys running from an argument, shouting infantile insults as you scurry away.

          — Max Bucks

          • JC

            Infantile remarks? Like this:

            “And you can shut up about that, too”

            • Over and Out

              Not “infantile remarks,” infantile insults, like: Golly, a fourth grader can read more closely than you do.

              Now scurry away. Or do you want to play the infantile game called I Got the Last Word?

              • JC

                “do you want to play the infantile game called I Got the Last Word?”

                Isn’t that your game? Now you go shuffle off and keep reading them 4th grade materials.

    • Where do you get “never blame the individual” out of that post?

      Never? That’s pretty absolute, too.

      It’s not like this is a one-time incident in Afghanistan, yet alone in the war theater.

      • Over and Out

        So now we are going to quibble over an adjective? Be serious. You blew it by trying to blame a psychopathic act on everyone and everything but the psychopath. The only “responsible parties” you left out were the makers of Twinkies and the publishers of violent video games.

        You need to do two things before you write any more on this subject:

        1. Study the history of warfare in the West, with special emphasis on civilian casualties. You do not have to go back to ancient Rome or the Crusades when whole cities—men, women, and children—were put to the sword. You can start with WW II;

        2. Understand what modern combat soldiers are trained to do, how they carry out their missions, and what effect that has on civilian populations in a guerrilla war.

        — Max Bucks

        • quibble over an adjective? “Never” is an adverb.

          Did you miss that second sentence, somehow? The “I am not making excuses for the hell that Staff Sargent from Fort Lewis Washington reigned down on the people of Afghanistan – let me be clear about that,” sentence?

          Hell – why have officers at all? At your planet, no one is to blame but the shooter.

          Convenient for your politics, I bet.

          • Over and Out

            That is correct. In my world, the individual is responsible for his own actions. In your world, someone or something else is always or mostly responsible.

            All you are doing is advancing the classic leftist excuse for aberrant behavior: The man on the street is not to blame. It was his corrupt social, economic, or political system that made him do it. In this particular case, you are primarily blaming the military system for an individual’s aberrant behavior, i.e., “Military Malfeasance.”

            And, by the way, that is the excuse most indicted war criminals use.

            — Max Bucks

            • Steve W

              How many indicted war criminals have you met, MB?

              Did you meet Kissinger and Chaney? Is that the excuse they used?

              What’s the second most used excuse?

              • Over and Out

                What nonsense you write. Get help.

                — Max Bucks

              • Jack ruby

                Nonsense? Careful there Maxxy pad the stolen valor act has not been ruled unconstitutional yet.

  4. larry kurtz

    Good post, j-girl.

    Neil Livingstone has connections to kill unit:

    http://www.nationalmemo.com/article/shady-ex-spycontractor-runs-governor-montana

  5. Ingemar Johansson

    It’s cool.

    Obama apologized.

    • Over and Out

      Shout, shout knock yourself out;
      Come on yell, yell loud and swell;
      You gotta scream, scream, you know what I mean;
      Put another dime in the Apology Machine.

      ///

      (I wish winter would be over. I am running out of Koran pages to start my woodstove.)

      — Max Bucks

      • Ingemar Johansson

        Hey Max, did ya hear?

        Racism wins in Mississippi and Alabama.

  6. lizard19

    is Panetta afraid of getting shot by his own soldiers? (NYT)

    In a sign of the nervousness surrounding Mr. Panetta’s trip, the Marines and other troops who were waiting in a tent for the defense secretary to speak were abruptly asked by their commander to get up, place their weapons — M-16 and M-4 automatic rifles and 9-mm pistols — outside the tent and then return unarmed. The commander, Sgt. Maj. Brandon Hall, told reporters he was acting on orders from superiors.

    “All I know is, I was told to get the weapons out,” he said. Asked why, he replied, “Somebody got itchy, that’s all I’ve got to say. Somebody got itchy; we just adjust.”

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