City of Bozeman to Consider Anti-Iraqi War Resolution

by jhwygirl

Looks like Bozeman’s city council will consider a resolution calling for President Bush to withdraw U.S. troops from Iraq.

The Bozeman Peace Seekers have been gathering signatures since November. The city council, in November before a packed meeting, voted 3-2 to consider the resolution.

Critics, like those in Missoula, say that city council has more pressing issues to attend to – like the new jail and fire station.

With today’s news of the Private Darren Smith’s death in Iraq, this former Bozeman resident believes nothing could be more appropriate.

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  1. By my calculation, it took you 42 minutes to go from posting a thoughtful memoriam to an American hero to turning his sacrifice into a political argument for your personal agenda. Nice.

  2. I can’t help but think that the deaths of American soldiers – built on the lies of Dick Cheney and George Bush – are the reason that 100’s of Bozeman’s citizens (and Missoula’a and Helena’s and Beaverhead-Deerlodge County’s and Butte’s) are the reason that anti-Iraq War and withdrawal referendums are being put before those legislative bodies.

    War is political MTSentinel. Soldiers die in war. You may not like that, but that is reality.

  3. MTSentinel

    And you are free to state that opinion because of the sacrifices of men like Darren and his family who may not appreciate you using his death to disparage what he gave his life for.

  4. JC

    By my calculation, it took you 42 minutes to go from posting a thoughtful memoriam to an American hero to turning his sacrifice into a political argument for your personal agenda. Nice.

    And about 53 minutes for you to turn around and make your own sideways political statement by accusing jhwygirl of being an opportunist.

    If the needless death of American (and Montanan) soldiers isn’t reason enough to escalate the dialog about how to end of the war in Iraq, what will it take for war-mongers to quit deriding those that would use the democratic process to bring an end to this folly? Can you say “hypocrite?”

  5. Your second statement would be correct, MTSentinel – and soldiers that I have spoken with that have served in Iraq -and parents with sons in Iraq, the one’s I have spoken with – would both agree with my opinion and my right to state that.

  6. Jamee Greer

    I’m headed home for the holidays this week and will be in Bozeman for the meeting. I’m hoping to check it out!

    I sure am thankful that we got to actually vote for it over in Missoula instead of just having the council have the final vote!

  7. turning his sacrifice into a political argument for your personal agenda

    Nice! I certainly hope this means we can count on you, MTSentinel, to speak out when the Bush Administration uses the deaths of American citizens on September 11, 2001 as an excuse to curtail our civil liberties; justify torture, rendition and wars of choice; and expand government bureaucracy by creating new agencies like the Department of Homeland Security.

  8. goof houlihan

    Forum shopping to find people dishonest enough to think they can drown out the voices who disagree with them on an issue over which they have no authority.

    No county commisions have done this, no counties have been asked to do this. The legislature didn’t do this.

    It’s just forum shopping to find those political entities who have elected officials who want our country to suffer defeat.

  9. The Beaverhead-Deerlodge County Commission did it goof – and it wasn’t a referendum vote, they put out a resolution.

    The city council in Butte did a resolution too.

    What are we going to “win” against in Iraq? We attacked them when there were no weapons of mass destruction and they posed no threat to the U.S. What were they supposed to do? Lay down their weapons until we figured it out that we were wrong? We’ve now destabilized a whole region.

    Was Saddam evil? Yep. But so is China, so is North Korea – and arguably, both pose us a greater risk now than Iraq ever did.

    Pakistan is supposedly our friend. They have nuclear weapons, and aren’t really behaving like friends.

    “Forum shopping to find people dishonest enough to think they can drown out the voices who disagree with them…” What about the voices that agree? Should they be silenced? It’s not like they are the minority any more?

  10. goof houlihan

    The people who agree should take it to their federal government.

    It’s the same as adopting a majoritarian or just top down religion. It tramples the views of those who aren’t in agreement.

    What are we going to win? If you can’t tell the difference between us, and them, you’ve already been defeated.

  11. Nice hollow rhetoric on the war, goof. In reality, since most of the insurgency is actually directed against occupation, and not “freedom” (which, IMHO, administration supporters wouldn’t know if it hit them in the nose), our presence ensures our “defeat.” In short, we’ve already lost.

    Add that to Iraq war hogtying our military’s ability to react to real threats. We’re overdeployed. Our security is weaker because of the war. So the war works against that, too.

    “If you can’t tell the difference between us, and them, you’ve already been defeated.” Good saying. Tho’ given the situation in Iraq, I’d have to say it’s clear the administration and its supporters are the ones who have no clue about the differences — or the similarities — between “us” and “them.”

    I love this country. I hate to see it p*ssed away to preserve Bush’s legacy and the egos of those that support this clusterf*ck.

  12. JC

    If you can’t tell the difference between us, and them, you’ve already been defeated.

    Nothing like a little misplaced moral authority to totally obscure the real situation.

    How can we win when the war is taking away the things that make our democracy what it is? Bin Laden has already won the war, when you add up the costs to the American people and to future generations of the trillions of dollars, lost freedoms, a trampled Constitution, and mounting fascism.

    Trade freedom for security? That’s a recipe for the decline and demise of the United States. The war on terror cannot be won militarily.

  13. Larry Kralj, Environmental Rangers!

    NOT ONE (allow me to repeat that) NOT ONE of our brave soldiers died in Iraq to “protect our freedom”! PERIOD! That’s pure BULLSHIT to say that! And I am one sick and damn tired of hearing it Vietnam Vet! Not ONE brave soldier was made a quad to “protect our freedom”! Not ONE brave soldier lost his balls or legs to “protect our freedom”! That’s rightwing wackjob cowardly BULLSHIT! For here’s the simple truth. NO, repeat, NO Iraqui was EVER a threat to our freedom! Bush and his dick,cheney are the REAL threat’s to our freedoms!

    Semper Veritas!

  14. goof houlihan

    ” The city council, in November before a packed meeting, voted 3-2 to consider the resolution”.

    Speaking of “veritas”, that didn’t happen.

    However, tonight, in front of a packed meeting, the commission did vote three to two to pass the resolution.




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