Amendments Offered to Baucus Bill; Snowe Throws in Trigger Option

by jhwygirl

Lotsa links, and looks to be what appears a comprehensive summary of the current amendments.

This article, from the Washington Post, is quite lengthy, but it does a great job of trying to quantify the actual costs of health care – the costs that seem to be lost on many. It uses the Kaiser Foundation’s 2009 Employer Benefits Survey as its basis. Most people recognize the Henry J. Kaiser Family Foundation as a well-respected, non-partisan source for health insurance and health industry analysis.

The Kaiser Health News is a daily must-read for me, and I’ve had a link up over there under “Citizen’s Info” for quite some time.

Sen. Tom Coburn (R-OK) has proposed a five-member Health Care Services Commission and an Office of the Forum for Quality and Effectiveness in Health Care (how’s that for panels, folks?), which would be appointed by the President and approved by the Senate.

What do you think is meant to happen when those panels and commissions come to the conclusion that certain things aren’t covered, or aren’t reimbursed enough?

Coburn’s proposal mirrors what happened in the House for HB3200 – Republicans offered up amendments at the speed of sound that added cost and expanded both coverage and oversight.

That’s what people call “making sausage.” Now the key is to keep track of what’s going in – and as one person I know recently noted – keep the pig’s ears and other undesirable parts (he used other words) out.

Of course – he was saying that they already went in to the Baucus bill and it’s hard to get ’em out….

  1. Reform died months ago, insurance stocks are up. I’m going to have to buy one of their crappy policies, or be fined. All we’re doing now is arguing over the cost of the coffin.

    • Anon

      All we’re doing now is arguing over the cost of the coffin.

      Might be cheaper to pay the “fine” and buy the coffin than to purchase a “crappy” policy.

      • Requiring me to pay up to 13% of my income or be fined is pure BS. A conservative friend of mine said he is currently paying about 5 1/2% and “if anyone thinks I can afford more they’re nuts.”

        He’s a conservative that supports reform.

        HB3200 is generally recognized as a good bill. Olympia not standing in support of her own committee chairperson’s bill is telling.

        I hold out hope for a damned fine bill. Obama is now – FINALLY – on the front of this. I’m rarely the optimist, but it’s all I got for now, because I’m darned weary. But I know if we let this go to the wolves, now, without a fight, we’re toast.

        The ribbon is there…the finish line. We just have to get there.

        • problembear

          Nothin wrong with hoping j-girl. Lots could happen if obama hears from enough hcr w/po supporters.

          Shouldn’t be that hard now that crazy right is fading into racist dominated rhetoric and losing credibility daily.

          Max doesn’t matter anymore. We need to tell obama we’re behind change we can believe in.

          • JimInMT

            Has nothing to do with race. That’s a LEFTIST red herring. Obama and the LEFT brought it up before the election, and continue to play that tired old saw over and over and over and over again until it sounds like crickets… chirp chirp chirp. Use some other reason to find fault with Republicans and conservatives besides your OWN racist perspective. WE oppose what is going on in DC for a simple reason: we are OUT of money, and no number of fines or other unfunded mandates from the elitists in Congress will create any more than our employers can find. And, why the hell aren’t they giving up THEIR 8% COLA if they are not going to give any to SSI recipients? Answer that without bringing race into it!

          • JC

            Since when did whites calling out whites for bigotry become racism?

            It didn’t. And it isn’t.

            And those who try to assert that it is just have something they’re trying to hide from.

        • Big Swede

          jgirl, is MT’s requirement to have vehicle insurance a good or bad thing?

          • Anon

            1) It’s an unfunded mandate on the population – about 14% as I recall do not comply (hmmm 15% no health ins and 14% no car ins. – coincidence?)

            2) I have no problem if you don’t have auto insurance IF you have the assets to back up your personal financial responsibility – I doubt many fall into that category tho.

            3) A big percentage that do not have auto ins. have the choice of driving an uninsured vehicle to work to put food on the table or purchasing minimal auto ins. and not putting food on the table. Is food a basic societal right like health ins.? Oh, that’s right, we have SNAP for food but nothing for ins.

            4) Perhaps we need auto ins. tax credits and assistance as well as health ins. tax credits and assistance for the low income.

          • goof houlihan

            However, according to the article I read in the paper today, the President is totally okay with the requirement to have insurance and the fine if you do not, and further, that it is not a hidden tax.

            He even uses the auto insurance comparison.

    • Big Swede

      Maybe to offset your fines Mark, you should invest some retirement savings into insurance stocks.

  2. problembear

    The teaparty attracted a lot of racists jim. If you want credibility, it is the responsibility of the teaparty to dissavow them.

    Have not seen that yet. All I see is deflector shields. Therefore, you lose credibility with each passing day.

    The company you keep is not attractive to the majority of fairminded americans.

    • Big Swede

      Via Rasmussen 9/16 poll.

      “Twelve percent (12%) of voters nationwide believe that most opponents of President Obama’s health care reform plan are racist. The latest Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey finds that 67% of voters disagree, and 21% are not sure.”

      Looks like more people believe aliens kidnap humans for anal probing than back up your racist theory, pb.

      • JC

        So, polling is the newest arbiter of racism, eh, BS?

        People are deliberately conflating racism with opposition to specific policies. The policy is just a convenient vehicle and screen behind which to express racism. Next year it will be cap and trade, or whatever policy battle is going on.

        Racism is expressed in a wide range of ways. It just happens that the media is focused on policy battles and the latent racism on exhibit. Unfortunately, bigots–including those in the media–are both fomenting, and participating in the circus–like the Fox producer that was rallying a crowd for max effect in a news feed.

        And then a bunch of apologists come along and point to the authentic policy battles as a way to ignore and belittle the underlying racism.

        You’re not fooling anybody with your cute rejoinders stemming from your subconscious anxieties about alien anal probes. Do you think that Obama is an illegal alien?

        • Big Swede

          Interesting comparison.

          12% believe tbaggers are racist vs ? % believe O’s illegal.

          I’ll have to look it up, could it be you race baiters are outnumbered?

  3. problembear

    bs- your stuff is so bogus i don’t even know where to begin…
    first of all, i said that the majority of fair-minded americans do not find racists attractive. i think (or at least hope) we can agree about that without resorting to poorly worded polls to prove or disprove that statement.

    second, the main point of my comment is the fact that t-baggers (your word, not mine. i actually used teapartyers)
    do not dissavow the racists who show up at their rallies and embarrass them with their ignorant rhetoric. instead, the t-baggers choose to embrace them.

    you are judged by the company you keep and most fair-minded americans do not support racists.

    you can troll with that rasmussen-skewed-spin-cast-stink-bait all night long and i won’t bite on your bogus claims. i know what i know.

    • Big Swede

      Poorly worded? Here’s the question.

      “Are most people who oppose the President’s health care plan doing so because they are racist?”

      The only thing that stinks is your unfounded claims.

      • problembear

        The word “most” makes that poll meaningless.

        And your defensive and deflective responses simply mirror the t-baggers continuing embrace of racism.

        • Big Swede

          OK, pb, prove the association.

          • problembear

            It’s Obvious to everyone that the t-bagger movement attracts racists swede.

            The proof is well documented in all media.

            The question is; why would any group embrace racism and expect to have any credibility?

          • Big Swede

            Didn’t attract Sen. Bryd.

            I shall never fight in the armed forces with a Negro by my side… Rather I should die a thousand times, and see Old Glory trampled in the dirt never to rise again, than to see this beloved land of ours become degraded by race mongrels, a throwback to the blackest specimen from the wilds. ”

            — Robert C. Byrd, in a letter to Sen. Theodore Bilbo (D-MS), 1944

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