I thought these races would be closer

by Pete Talbot

The numbers were already in when I arrived, late, at the Union Club. It doesn’t take long to tally votes in a primary.

Tyler Gernant was there and had mixed emotions about the outcome. He did much better than he could have hoped for when he first launched his campaign, but it wasn’t enough. The Democrat’s standard bearer, Dennis McDonald, had a 14 point lead. Gernant, with 15,724 votes, received 24% and McDonald, with 24,134 votes, had 38%.

It wasn’t a shock but I predicted closer numbers in the Gernant/McDonald contest.

Melinda Gopher with 13,287 and 21% came in a close third (which surprised both me and Gernant since she didn’t have a strong field operation). She did well with tribal voters and I’m guessing women, too. She definitely pulled some votes from Gernant.

As did Sam Rankin, who also raised very little money and didn’t really have an organization, but pulled an amazing 16% (10,233).

I and other Missoula area bloggers have been accused of being “Missoulacentric.” After all, Missoula is the center of the universe. But being here in the Garden City, one’s point of view can become a bit jaded. Tyler seemed to be doing so well in Missoula and he did capture 1143 more votes than McDonald in Missoula County. So, obviously, McDonald worked hard in other Montana counties. This shatters one of my long held opinions that if you can win Missoula County in the Democratic primary, you win the state.

I’m sure we haven’t seen the last of Gernant, though.

Another race I thought would be closer was Teresa Henry’s loss to Tom Facey by 26 points. Tom’s door-to-door work is unparalleled, they say, and as a Missoula area teacher for decades, he has good name recognition. Still, Ms. Henry has a fine track record in Helena and has served more recently than Facey. I thought this race would go down to the wire but Facey ended up with nearly 63% (1190) to Henry’s 37% (708).

Ellie Hill’s victory received a rousing round of shouts and applause at the Club when her numbers were announced. She beat Lou Ann Crowley by almost 100 votes (Hill, 712 or 53% to Crowley’s 618 or 46%). Ellie ran a textbook campaign — fundraising, the doors, targeted mailing, GOTV — she did everything it takes to win and she pulled it off. I thought this race would be closer, too, but some of the yard signs of the many I saw for Crowley were in Republican yards and those folks probably voted in the Republican primary.

And on the Republican side, congressionally, voters went big for the right (incumbent Denny Rehberg got 86,271 or nearly 75% of the vote), followed by the far, far right (Mark French, 21,989 or almost 20%). Not a lot of moderate votes cast (A.J. Otjen, 6668 or close to 6%).

Some other noteworthy observations: Republican voters went to the polls at twice the number of Democrats — 129,165 to 62,811. This does not bode well for the fall general election, especially in the congressional contest. The Democrats have their work cut out for them.

And the petition gatherers for CI-102, the “amoebas are human beings” constitutional initiative, showed real class. They paraded around outside Lowell Elementary School with posters of dead fetuses.


  1. cynic

    Thank you for finally realizing that Missoula is not the center of the universe… Trust me when I tell you that Democrats in the rest of the state tend to get unnerved at candidates who spend too much time in your college town.

  2. I posted a preliminary analysis of the Democratic Congressional Primary on Flathead Memo Dot Com and thus won’t go into great detail here. I think there was a huge protest vote against the party’s establishment candidates, against McDonald and Gernant, and I think that early voting probably hurt Gernant. I know that Gernant is a new face, and he’s certainly a bright new star in Montana’s political constellation, but he comes across as very cautious Democrat who, like Max Baucus, et al, prefers incremental changes to sweeping reform. That makes him a member of the establishment; newly minted establishment, but establishment just the same. And a lot of Democratic voters, knowing that neither McDonald nor Gernant had a ghost of a chance of beating Rehberg, decided to cast a protest vote against the Democratic establishment. That’s why Rankin and Gopher did so well.

  3. Jose Soplar

    Actually, I like McDonald’s chances. If he runs his campaign well that is. He’s Aggy (as in Ag community), he’s smart, and he’s populist. I think that Dennis needs to really hammer the differences between him and Rehberg. And there are plenty. He needs to pick Rehberg’s record apart over the last eight years, vote by vote. And if he does, he will show that Rehberg is very much out of touch with Montana. Paint him as a Tea Partier and boat wreck partier. In other words, let Denny be Denny. It’ll work.

  4. The boat wreck partier is a non-starter, a grasp at a straw. Barkus owned the boat, Barkus was at the helm, and Barkus ran the boat on the rocks. I know there are Democrats who have convinced themselves that Rehberg was really the one responsible for the crash, but that’s self-deluding nonsense.

    Boozing comes into the picture only if it can be proven that a bout with Demon Rum prevented Rehberg from doing his job. What did his love of alcohol, if indeed he has a love of alcohol, do that hurt Montana or the nation? So far the only thing his drinking has hurt is his butt, that when he fell off a horse halfway around the world from Montana. If the voters become convinced that Rehberg’s drinking is costing th

    • Montana Cowgirl

      rehberg was not responsible for the crash, he was responsible for not designating a driver. he’s in charge, the boss, the authority figure.

      • Rehberg was Barkus’ guest, both at the dinner gathering and on the boat. Rehberg was not in charge simply because he was a Congressman and Barkus was a State Senator.

        Cowgirl, who has been pushing this theory for months, would have us believe that Rehberg called Barkus and said, “Greg, I’m in charge here. I’m the Congressman, the authority figure, and you’re the State Senator, so being old friends counts for nothing. Get your wife and boat and pick me up in Bigfork. We’re going to Lakeside for a booze soaked dinner with your friends — and then you’re driving us back to Bigfork in the dark at 35 knots no matter how many drinks you’ve had,” and that Barkus clicked his heels, saluted, and replied, “Yessir!”

        If you believe that, you’ll believe anything — and you certainly don’t know Greg Barkus.

        • Montana Cowgirl

          i believe a man of character makes sure his staff are safe. He doesn’t care about silly social awkwardness. Lives are at stake.

        • Steve W

          Rehberg was an employer who had his employees working for him when he made the decision that all of them were crossing in a boat driven by a highly intoxicated skipper.

          i agree with you that Rehberg bears zero responsibility for what happened to Barkus, or to Barkus’ boat.

          But he is responsible for the well being of his employees, who he put in mortal danger.

          • I disagree with Rehberg’s politics, but I find no reason to believe that he would knowingly put himself or his staff in mortal danger, or that he missed sign’s of Barkus’ intoxication that he should have recognized. Barkus’ BAC was very high, but that doesn’t mean he appeared to be so plastered that he should not have been steering the boat. Heavy drinkers can be almost embalmed and still appear normal. There’s still much we don’t know about this accident, which is why I hope the case against Barkus goes to trial instead of ending in a plea bargain that might include sealing parts of the record. Perhaps someone will unearth evidence that proves Cowgirl’s theory. But until that day arrives, I’m going to accord Rehberg the same presumption of innocence that I would want to be accorded were I accused of similar depravities.

            I suspect that Cowgirl and I will continue to disagree on this — but I expect that we’ll work together to help Dennis McDonald replace Rehberg as our blessing in the U.S. House of Representatives. If she would like to get in touch with me directly, there’s a feedback button on Flathead Memo Dot Com.

            • Montana Cowgirl

              That sounds great James. We can probably agree that, at the very least, this alone is not going beat Rehberg.

  5. Early voting seems to help candidates that get a strong start and are “scrappers”, hard workers, fighters almost if you will. They are the closest to the public, putting themselves out there all the time with the people, not just the financial supporters. That’s why I think Gopher and Rankin brought in the votes they did…Ellie and Tom too.

    I’ll be interested in seeing how “big” a percentage Missoula democrats turned out over the republicans. Turn out in Missoula was only 20% over all. How do we get more people in general involved? A mere 20% of the people making choices for all the people? How do we get people vested in their future?

    • Primary contests, especially spirited contests, generate turnout. In the Flathead, the only Democratic contests were for county commissioner and HD-8 (where the outcome never was in doubt). By contrast, the GOP had a 3-man primary for sheriff, and legitimate contests in several legislative districts.

      I think that when we look at the election in detail, we’ll find that the Republicans had many more primary contests than the Democrats. Even so, the GOP Congressional primary attracted more than twice as many voters as the Democratic primary — and the Democratic primary was at least as interesting. In a state that’s split right down the middle, that disparity is profoundly startling and disturbing. Most Democrats didn’t give enough of a damn to vote. But it can’t be all a lack of primary contests. I think that many Democrats have lost faith in their party’s ability to improve their lives and no longer believe that voting matters.

      • Big Swede

        That and the Reps. see blood in the water.

        Especially in Yellowstone County. Record primary turn out of 42.1%, 32,000+ votes cast.

      • petetalbot

        So, James Conner, why haven’t the Republicans lost faith in their party? Do they believe that just saying “no” to every bill that is proposed by the President or Congress is good governance. I mean really, what has the GOP done for its rank-and-file? Just curious as to your thoughts on this.

        • The GOP is obsessed with ideology, and it’s a powerful motivator. Republicans believe they have The Truth, and The Truth trumps fact. Hence the belief in the self-regulating market, and the self-policing offshore drilling industry. Of course the GOP’s rank and file are being screwed, at least by my reckoning, but that’s beside the point. For the most part, they don’t believe they’re being screwed. They believe their blessing in Congress are defending their values and way of life by bravely standing up to the anti-Christ in the White House. They’re hungry, they smell blood, they anticipate victory, and they’re voting.

          I think Democrats are demoralized, and therefore staying home. The Democratic turnout was abysmal. Montana is pretty evenly split — look at the legislative results in recent years, and the results for the four offices that should not be elective positions, AG, Sec State, Auditor, and Schools. We had just under 640k registered voters for this election, so approximately 300k probably are Democrats or Democrats masquerading as Independents, plus a few Greens. Yet the primary for Congress drew only 62k Democratic votes, which is roughly one in five Democrats. The GOP primary drew twice as many. Why? What accounts for so many Democrats not bothering to vote — especially when they’ve had a month to do so — other than a belief that voting doesn’t matter?

          • Pete Talbot

            Democrats dominated two years ago and yet are so disillusioned, and impatient for change, that they won’t go out and vote in this primary (which I believe is what you’re saying). That’s a pathetic comment on the constituency.

            Perhaps Democrats aren’t as lockstep as Republicans and their ideology is a bit more flexible … and it takes a passionate candidate to fire up the base. Still, Rehberg is such a poor representative for Montana. Democrats really need to rally for McDonald in the general election.

            Who knows? Rehberg is prone to boneheaded moves and it’s still early.

          • Lizard

            i think james is spot on. i debated voting, but ultimately decided not to.

            i also think chris hedges is spot on, and his latest at truth dig is called The Christian Fascists Are Growing Stronger

            here’s where i think he really nails it:

            “The rise of this Christian fascism, a rise we ignore at our peril, is being fueled by an ineffectual and bankrupt liberal class that has proved to be unable to roll back surging unemployment, protect us from speculators on Wall Street, or save our dispossessed working class from foreclosures, bankruptcies and misery. The liberal class has proved useless in combating the largest environmental disaster in our history, ending costly and futile imperial wars or stopping the corporate plundering of the nation. And the gutlessness of the liberal class has left it, and the values it represents, reviled and hated.

            The Democrats have refused to repeal the gross violations of international and domestic law codified by the Bush administration. This means that Christian fascists who achieve power will have the “legal” tools to spy on, arrest, deny habeas corpus to, and torture or assassinate American citizens—as does the Obama administration.

            Those who remain in a reality-based world often dismiss these malcontents as buffoons and simpletons. They do not take seriously those, like Beck, who pander to the primitive yearnings for vengeance, new glory and moral renewal. Critics of the movement continue to employ the tools of reason, research and fact to challenge the absurdities propagated by creationists who think they will float naked into the heavens when Jesus returns to Earth. The magical thinking, the flagrant distortion in interpreting the Bible, the contradictions that abound within the movement’s belief system and the laughable pseudoscience, however, are impervious to reason. We cannot convince those in the movement to wake up. It is we who are asleep.”

            • French Toast

              Mark French declared that every law he wrote would be based on Biblical law. I think he got 20,000 votes in the state of Montana, and Denny Rehberg says he heard those voters “loud and clear”

              He’s one side of the radical coin, though, Lizard. The other side, the “true progressive”, is as intolerant and unforgiving and closed minded as any other “true believer”.

              You didn’t vote. I don’t think your opinion will be counted.

              AJ Otjen’s moderate republicanism attracted nobody. Nobody wants centrism. Even in Montana, open minded rational discussion seems dead. I may share your disillusions, but for far different reasons. Politics has become extreme enough. Where are the good people who are willing to serve, not rule?

              • Lizard

                do you think “true progressives” will vote for obama in 2012? of course they will because they’re so afraid of the crazies on the right that they will wail and lament but ultimately do nothing substantive to send democrats the message they desperately need to hear.

                no, my opinion didn’t count, and won’t be counted. until i find a candidate, locally or nationally, that can articulate the reality of the corporate fealty that has killed our two party system, then i’m not going to vote.

              • I’m now north of 60, and thus an old fogey. But I was taught that good citizens always vote regardless of how many or few are on the ballot, or how miserable the choices. What were Montana’s Democrats taught that causes so many to not give a damn about voting — especially when they have a whole month to cast their ballots? I think these folks have a very weak sense of civic obligation (the same can be said of some Republicans), and that disturbs me. Is this a new problem? No. But it’s still a problem. I wish I knew how to solve it.

              • Lizard

                well, James, i’m a gen X-er, and after what your generation has allowed to happen to this country, it’s going to be my kids who pay the price. i am no longer going to support either party. it’s third party for me from here on out. i may vote in the general, but my civic engagement is going to be working locally to help mitigate the effect of the corporate exploitation we’ve experienced for the last half century.

              • The very idea that voting itself is a worthy undertaking without context – meaningful choices, good candidates, a history of proactive legislative activity – is the very core of the non-voting problem.

                Not voting can be laziness or detachment, but it can also be frustration that we don’t have meaningful choices, and that even when it appears that we do, as in 2008, meaningful change does not come about.

                Fusion voting, Democrats backing off and easily ballot restrictions would help.

  6. ahnon

    I hope that at some point the discussion here will turn to ensuring that Swandal doesn’t end up on the S.C. Couldn’t be a candidate with less chops.

  7. Montana Cowgirl

    thanks for this post. I didn’t see any signature gatherers this election cycle for the ameoba initiative. I hear they are sparse and doing poorly. good news about hill. congratulations to missoula on that race. also heard lindsay love beat a non-progressive in great falls.

  8. Big Swede

    Wow, where to begin.

    Funny how Mr Conner never mentioned the fact that we’re in a economic death spiral fueled by bailouts, fake stimulus boondoggles, and pending coffins nails like govt. run health care and tax break expirations and tax hikes. Funny how record unemployment didn’t get mentioned.

    But hey, those bible thumpers are coming to get ya.

    As for me and my fellow responsible voters whom actually showed up Tuesday, this ones for you.

    • Lizard

      swede, you don’t know what the hell you’re talking about. we are in the mess because of unregulated capitalism, wage stagnation, out sourcing of jobs, predatory lending, trillion dollar imperial wars, etc. the stimulus has kept things from being worse, and if single payer health care was enacted, we could be saving hundreds of billions. your side’s solutions will further impoverish this nation. the only hope is from the left, and right now they are so feeble and pathetic, people like me will refuse to even participate in this sad charade called “democracy”

  9. bloodyknife

    Swede, just a reminder concerning humanity’s collective wisdom, Hitler wasn’t the only name on the ballot.

  10. Republican voters went to the polls at twice the number of Democrats — 129,165 to 62,811. This does not bode well for the fall general election, especially in the congressional contest. The Democrats have their work cut out for them.

    It is difficult to know the mind of voters and non-voters, but I do see lack of enthusiasm. After all, the Democrats “had their work cut out for them”on November 9, 2008, and did nothing with it.

    What are they going to do between now and election day?Erase reality?

  11. Lizard

    so, if i don’t like capitalism run amok, i should go to cuba, huh. how original swede.

    so, you think extending tax breaks and preserving for profit health insurers is a solution?

    face it, swede, your ideology had 8 years to prove itself, and it proved to be a failure. your side has no ideas left. that is why all you can do is mock the left and stonewall wherever possible.

    it’s unfortunate there still so many idiots and ideologues regurgitating the same crap we’ve been hearing for the last decade. it doesn’t work. and you don’t seem to get it.

    unfortunately before idiot george smashed up this country, clinton was busy taking the democratic party to the neoliberal dark side, so now democrats are as corrupt and worthless as republicans. that leaves people like me with very little hope that the political process is capable of producing any significant alteration from our imperial path to ruin.

  12. one of the best ways to point out the hypocrisy of the far right is to understand this logic: they want less government regulation but when disasters happen because their corporate buddies screw up (BP)they are the first ones to blame the government for not taking care of it.

    the fascinating thing is that the american public eats this bs up with a spoon….. as spock used to say…..fascinating

    • Big Swede

      You’re right pb, don’t address any blame to government agencies. They’re beyond reproach.

      • and as far as the far right goes: keep going extreme with your views. at some point the american public will wake up to your lies and the resulting anger will render you irrelevant.

        corporate greed and stupidity took this economy down….

        corporate greed and stupidity ruined the gulf…

        now you all bleat like sheep and complain that the government is not doing enough to come and rescue us

        • Big Swede


          Three days after the explosion of the Deepwater Horizon in the Gulf of Mexico, the Dutch government offered to help.
          It was willing to provide ships outfitted with oil-skimming booms, and it proposed a plan for building sand barriers to protect sensitive marshlands.

          The response from the Obama administration and BP, which are coordinating the cleanup: “The embassy got a nice letter from the administration that said, ‘Thanks, but no thanks,’” said Geert Visser, consul general for the Netherlands in Houston.

          Now, almost seven weeks later, as the oil spewing from the battered well spreads across the Gulf and soils pristine beaches and coastline, BP and our government have reconsidered.

          U.S. ships are being outfitted this week with four pairs of the skimming booms airlifted from the Netherlands and should be deployed within days. Each pair can process 5 million gallons of water a day, removing 20,000 tons of oil and sludge.

          At that rate, how much more oil could have been removed from the Gulf during the past month?

          The uncoordinated response to an offer of assistance has become characteristic of this disaster’s response. Too often, BP and the government don’t seem to know what the other is doing, and the response has seemed too slow and too confused.

          Federal law has also hampered the assistance. The Jones Act, the maritime law that requires all goods be carried in U.S. waters by U.S.-flagged ships, has prevented Dutch ships with spill-fighting equipment from entering U.S. coastal areas.

      • petetalbot

        Right on, Swede, let’s not hold industry accountable. Certainly not Halliburton, that beacon of industrial ethics that poured the leaky cap; nor Transocean, the company that installed the faulty blow-out valve and useless back up systems; and definitely not BP, that oversaw the entire project.

        Yes, let’s blame the government, especially Obama, for this gulf-wide oil slick.

        • Big Swede

          When does two wrongs make a right?

          How can you affix blame to the companies and then hold the government in such high regard for its delays and inactions.

          All I hear here is how corporations rape constituents but when the government f’s up chances to minimize the ecological effects its chirping crickets.

          Quite frankly this adm doesn’t want it cleaned up. It wants oil soaked pelicans for photo ops. It wants more control with cap and tax. The funny thing is off shore drilling is one of the most regulated and controlled industry when it comes extracting oil. What did that get us? They didn’t even follow their own emergency guidelines.

          Can the government, who you put up on a pedestal, live up up to your expectations?

          Definitely not in or near New Orleans.

          • now he’s delusional…..

            must be running out of ditto-juice. don’t worry BS you can listen to the crazy network tomorrow and get a recharge.

            or is rush still on his honeymoon?

          • Lizard

            most regulated? are you smoking this bullshit, or have you resorted to mainlining it?

            by the way, i think the administration’s response has been pathetic. this really will be considered obama’s katrina, but to say he doesn’t want to clean it up is not just dumb.

            by the way swede, while you are trying to reduce one of the biggest ecological disasters our country has ever seen into some kind of political gotcha moment, real people’s lives are being forever altered.

            • No Logic

              In the words of Rahm Emanuel “never let a serious crisis go to waste” – looks to me like the Obama admin will use this for some sort of political opportunity, but definately scold swede for doing the same.

              • Lizard

                no logic, you have aptly named yourself. do yourself a favor, turn off rush, and wake the hell up. this is bigger than rahm, obama, and democrats. it’s bigger than midterm elections. this is going to be the worst ecological disaster in world history. and obama is trying to do his best to convince us he’s not bp’s bitch. we will see.

              • No Logic

                Rush who?

            • Pogo Possum

              “. . . while you are trying to reduce one of the biggest ecological disasters our country has ever seen into some kind of political gotcha moment, real people’s lives are being forever altered”

              Yeah, Lizard…….we know how much you try to avoid “political gotcha moments”.

              • Lizard

                i simply think it would be more prudent for us to actually learn a lesson from this disaster instead of seeing who can score political points off it.

                you see, this is what happens when you spend a couple of decades trying to demolish the government’s ability to regulate extractive industries like oil and coal; people die and the environment suffers.

                and golly, is obama really going to try to use this disaster to further his agenda? of course he is, that’s what politicians do.

                like bush using 9-11 to start wars.

              • or the environment dies and people suffer

                but what the hell…. just as long as quarterly dividends and incentive bonuses are maximized.

              • Lizard

                it would be nice if it wasn’t impossible to talk about the problems we’re facing in a non-political way, but saying the word “government” is like hitting a hornets nest, and it makes the hornets angry and dangerous.

              • Pogo Possum

                “. . .but what the hell…. just as long as quarterly dividends and incentive bonuses are maximized”

                While forcing BP to cut its quarterly dividend might be politically expediant for Obama and make you feel better, just remember, PB, there are a lot of employee pension plans and retired grandparents who depend on those dividends for income.

  13. one thing i would like to point out however is that the only reason the american public eats it up with a spoon is because there is virtually no anger emanating from the white house or congress for all of the stupidity, unbridled greed and corrupt malfeasance by corporations too big to fail which have resulted in unparallelled economic, ecological and social disasters in this country…..

    all we hear when folks are made homeless by the banking collapse from the main stream media is blame the homeless. they didn’t save and prepare. they were profligate spenders…

    all we hear when oil spills happen is why didn’t the government do more?….

    what i want to know is when is it time for the people who cause these disasters due to greed, stupidity and malfeasance begin to be held accountable for their behavior?

    all we do in this country is reward bad behavior with bailouts and bonuses and punish good behavior with higher tax bills. meanwhile, nothing but silence and what appears to be token momentary “angry moments” by president obama to placate the citizenry once in awhiile.

    we need a leader like FDR who stands up and shouts at the ceos and the corporations who keep offshore books to avoid taxation, that it is time to rein in the greed, the stupidity and the corruption and to start paying their fair share of taxes and to be accountable for their mistakes.

    if they don’t like it the next time they need help when their assets are in danger to not bother calling us. they can rely on the bermuda army and navy to come to their damn rescue. the people are waiting for this. they are ready to follow. where is our leader?

  14. Big Swede

    See, I told ya.

    • BS divert, deflect and run away from it all you want. the plain truth is the far right with the help of traitorous blue dogs like max baucus et al have been successful in stripping governmental regulations over the past 30 years in their blind trust (and subservience) of free enterprise.

      the fact that right wingers blame government for the predictable result of their laissez faire policies toward business is irony of the most stupendous order.

      but of course, everyone who uses gasoline in this country shares some responsibility for supporting an energy regime which relies on delivering as much fuel as we are willing to pay for damn the consequences.

      the laws of physics economics and ecology are hard to deny. in the end, you get what you pay for.

      i like what wendell berry says about it…. http://problembear.wordpress.com/2009/09/11/whether-we-know-it-or-not/

      • Lizard

        swede’s mental bank is insolvent, and talking sense to these ideologues is a waste of time.

        watching jindall in new orleans, though, is highly instructive. they rail against government with their duplicitous mouths while grabbing what they can with their greedy, hypocritical little hands.

        then, as you said pb, when disaster strikes, these free market whores want the government to make their venereal disease go away.

        but there’s no cure for what they’ve got. like herpes, it may go away for awhile, but when it flares up, they must pause their whoring for a little government treatment.

  15. Lizard

    one thing’s clear, this is going to be one long summer.

    this is obama’s big chance, and holder’s responsibility, to stand up to the 4th largest corporation in the world, and finally hold these blood suckers (sorry vampires) accountable for the negligent homicide and ecological plague their arrogance and greed has unleashed on the gulf.

    but it’s hard when “the media” obsesses over the mood of the prez, analyzing his every gesture, and making his “ass-kick comment” the major feature of attention.

    meanwhile, for those who can filter the bullshit, the story is out there: there was an on-deck showdown between transocean and bp, and the greedy, shortsighted decision to replace the heavy drilling mud with salt water, combined with sloppy oversight of the blowout device (which had a broken seal that affected it’s ability to warn of changing pressure) caused this disaster to happen.

    but that’s just the way the media rolls. same thing with israel’s most recent murderous assault. i mean, imagine if this footage, got wide spread mainstream air time. and imagine if it was more widely known that the idf had to admit it released edited video with doctored audio, inserting someone shouting “go back to aushwitz”.

    but no, it’s much more important for our slobbering propaganda blowhards to facilitate ari fleischer’s take out of helen thomas, because somehow her words are deemed more obscene than idf soldiers executing turkish peace activists, journalists, and an american citizen in international waters.

    watch the footage. afterall, it’s your money that allows these atrocities to happen.

    • Eventually, Lizard, you’ll get angry and frustrated. You cannot reach people who cannot be reached. They would rather do their Democrat stuff.

    • Thanks for ruining my morning Lizard.

    • Big Swede

      Ya think this summers long?

      Wait for this fall.

      • Swede, do you really live in the delusion that either party winning elections is a good thing?

        Quit being such a partisan hack and think of some issues. An “R” or a “D” next to a name does not denote skill, or worth. Or are you not interested in helping, but just being part of the problem?

        Wait. Don’t answer that. I could care less which you wish to be.

  16. Big Swede

    PB, been practicing your pole dancing?

    • Just catching 16 inch rainbows at georgetown BS. Trolled past schweitzers place a couple hours ago. Threw em all back.

      My blackberry won’t open your flash so have no idea what you’re talking about and don’t care.

      Warming in front of the fire now with a whiskey 7. Cheers.

  17. Pogo- rewarding bad behavior only encourages more of it.

    If people are hurt by investing in wreckless corporations that gamble with their money they will soon learn to invest in better more prudent ones.

    It is time to weed out wreckless behavior that rewards stupidity and gambling on short term savings to maximize quarterly earnings.

    It is time corporations start to sober up from the party and think long term again.

  18. T. Hink

    Time for a jh post to save us from ourselves.

  19. Doug

    Good fucking grief! It’s been a week and this is still on top of the page? Can we move on please?

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