Whew: the Yellowstone Club is OK

by Pete Talbot

I was worried sick.

With all the lawsuits and counter-suits and counter-counter suits, I was afraid the Yellowstone Club — the private ski club for the uber-rich south of Bozeman — might be failing.

The Bozeman Chronicle tells us otherwise. The story quotes CrossHarbor Capital Partners head honcho Sam Byrne who says business is booming. CrossHarbor picked up the club for pennies on the dollar after the club declared bankruptcy in 2008. The alleged mismanagement of funds, particularly a $375 million Credit Suisse loan, led to the club’s downfall. Also in play is the nasty divorce of club founders Tim and Edra Blixseth, and more lawsuits and motions than you can shake a stick at: bankruptcy hearings, ex-husband suing ex-wife and vice-versa, members suing the Yellowstone Club, Tim Blixseth filing a motion to disqualify the bankruptcy judge, banks suing holding companies, holding companies suing banks …

But not to worry, the club has added 40 new members and has sold $175 million in real estate.

It’s comforting to know that in the middle of the Great Recession, in an era of stagnant development and foreclosures, folks can still afford to build 20-thousand-square-foot homes. Some people can, anyway.


  1. Pancho

    Those tens of thousands of dollars the Blixseths spent on campaign contributions to Republicans appear to have been money well spent. The candidates used it to tell us how really, really bad the Democrats are.

  2. mr benson

    Whatever. They don’t live there but they pay tens of thousands in property taxes to schools and local governments, while asking for almost no services.

    People in Gallatin and Madison get paid reasonably well to work on these houses, on their hangars and airplanes, etc. Some of the work is done by out of staters, yes, but it’s still part of the local economic engine.

    It’s not logging or mining, or snowmobile wrenching, true, but it can be a living. All the schadenfreude that came out when the mill shut down in Missoula, I have to ask, is it only government jobs that pass the liberal test for acceptability?

    Not all of us are overwhelmed with envy. If we were, locally, the main target would have to be the largest private landholder in the state. Where’s your scorn for Ted Turner?

    • I mentioned Stimson for more than a year before it went down – one of my first topics when I started blogging here. Smurfit was a real loss to the community, and we’ve mentioned that here as well.

      But it is an interesting dichotomy, the Blixseth’s of the world, and the Smiths of Maple Street, USA, isn’t it?

      Ted has been a charitable guy in the trenches. The Blixseth’s are more concerned about making sure the jet has been warmed sufficiently before they hit the fundraiser at the Met.

    • petetalbot

      WTF does Ted Turner have to do with this post, Goof? Turner runs bison on a big ranch he owns. I’ve got no problem with ranchers, whatever their political stripe. I imagine Turner pays property taxes and employs some locals, too, and last I heard, you could drive through his place on the Spanish Creek Road. The Yellowstone Club is an exclusive, gated development with a bad environmental record and a history that reeks. And I’m pretty sure you won’t be skiing the powder up there anytime soon. See the difference?

      • mr benson

        Nope, can’t hunt even mushrooms on Ted’s property. Locked out of that gated area as well. Since I don’t ski anymore, I don’t have lift envy. Morel envy maybe. Ted’s even richer, and locked many more people out than Yellowstone Club every has or will.

        Nobody’s defending the Blixeth’s, and plenty of conspiracy theorists, me included, think they did worse than is commonly talked about in newspapers or internet.

        I’ve just never had a poor person offer me work. I don’t think my working for people who can pay me is “trickle down”. I’ve worked for industry and construction and mining and railroads and government and education, and in hard times picked and planted, but never for someone who couldn’t pay me. Yep, they had more money than I did.

        The north side’s doing fine, gentrifying every day, without some government program to accomplish that. Not everyone welcomes that change, either.

        “Workers” will always be dependent on “the whims of wall street” as capital is required for job creation. Capital, individual effort, inspiration, creativity, when you tear those down, the jobs go away. It’s right there in your post, “what about jobs remodeling houses for the middle class?” Well, lots of that was done, when the bubble was happening, because people could invest capital into their houses and get a return on their investment. That capital investment created jobs for others. Simple as that.

  3. No wonder we’re losing the class war. We’re seemingly more committed to spite than victory. Yes, the uber-wealthy still have their little playground. But consider a few things.

    Consider how many people are employed at and by the Yellowstone club. (A classical guitarist friend of mine lost a regular gig at the club when the ‘troubles’ started. That was a helluva hit to his income.)

    Consider how many people are employed building those 20,000 sq. ft. houses. (An architect of my acquaintance from Ennis lost substantial contracts when bankruptcy was declared.)

    Consider how much infrastructure can be funded such that the rich not be denied their pleasures.

    As odious as this may be, the rich at leisure are an example of “trickle down” working very well for a local economy. For Bozeman, Big Sky and Gallatin County, it is big news that the Yellowstone Club continues to thrive.

    And finally consider this. The travails of the Blixeths and the legal actions involved were a stain on and against the wealthy. Rich people taking from rich people. I don’t find that cause for sarcasm half as much as for celebration.

    • Call me crazy, but what I got out of Pete’s post was that the rich are still doing fine and well buying up great real estate and dining at private clubs – and yeah, sure, they’re also hiring up local folk to design and build and wait the tables and man the lifts. Great.

      But what about the rest of the world? What about your neighborhood?

      We give tax cuts to the rich..so that we can build and staff their castles.

      How very feudal.

      • jhwygirl, yes the rich are still doing fine. What gets forgotten is that so are most of the rest of us. The whole point of class warfare is to convince your allies that the other has something that rightly belongs to the friendlies. Boo on the enemy. Get ’em.

        There are arguments to be made (God knows I’ve made my share) that the wealthy have unduly prospered at the expense of the not wealthy. For that reason alone taxes on the top earners/wealthiest should be raised. They should have to fund back to the system which enables them to prosper. There is no argument about that for the majority of Americans, nor did one come from me here. A very complex situation prevented that from happening. But the sad little punch line to that humorless joke is that even if their taxes were raised they’d still be rich, and they’d still be partying in Big Sky. That’s the weakness in Pete’s post. The Yellowstone Club has next to nothing to do with any public concern or policy. To lament that the rich spend money is nothing more than blaming them for having it. It has no bearing on my neighborhood or the rest of the world other than how that *spending* affects folks here.

    • petetalbot

      While selecting categories for this post, I thought about filing it under ‘Humor’ but it just wasn’t that funny. So I created ‘Irony.’ That’s what it’s all about. Montana homes in foreclosure, food banks overwhelmed, more children in poverty … and the Yellowstone Club prospers.

      Yet Rob endorses “trickle down” economics? I expected the comments from millionaire wannabes Goof (mr bensen) and Pogo supporting the Yellowstone Club, but Rob thinks exclusive gated communities are a good thing for the Gallatin Valley? I’m taken aback.

      Thank god the tax brackets for the wealthy didn’t change. Now they can build homes in the Montana wilderness and have them guarded by former secret service agents.

      “Consider how much infrastructure can be funded such that the rich not be denied their pleasures,” says Rob. I suppose some of their property taxes will “trickle down” to the state and county but what’s the trade off? A chunk of Montana that you’re excluded from, forever.

      Now I know a mason and a framer working at the Club, and they’re glad for the work. But that isn’t the point. How about sustainable jobs remodeling homes on Bozeman’s north side for middle-class families? No money available for that, though. More to the point, how about a model where a worker isn’t dependent on the whims of Wall Street: Goldman-Sachs and its ilk sends the economy in a tailspin, gets bailed out, goes on a buying spree in the Gallatin Canyon and throws a few scraps to the worker bees?

      And the legal machinations are despicable. Who else but the Blixseths, banks and holding companies can hire the lawyers and tie up the courts and get away with such swindles. Certainly not the poor schmuck whose house is in forclosure.

      Finally, Goof says, “not all of us are overwhelmed by envy.” I don’t envy them in the least. I’m grateful for my own little Snowbowl here in Missoula. The lifts may not be as fast and there might even be a line once in awhile, but I’d take it over the Yellowstone Club in a heartbeat.

      • Pete, there’s one heaping load of difference between admitting when something works in a particular circumstance and “endorsing” it as policy. And understanding the economic impact of the Yellowstone Club on the local area says nothing about favoring “gated communities” anywhere. Falsely constructed generalities serve no purpose save to foster ‘with or against us’ blather around false premises. It strikes me that many on the left have become too angry at the rich (among a host of others) to remember that.

        Mr. B did an excellent job of answering many of your complaints above. And whether ‘the worker bees’ like it or not, we simply do not have a social, political or economic framework to tell others how they must spend their money. Even if the Bush tax cuts for the wealthy had expired it would have had no impact whatsoever on the Yellowstone Club. The land would still be privately owned; the fences would still be in place. The choice isn’t between public bounty or ‘trickle down’ economic benefit. It is between economic benefit or nothing. If you have a realistic alternative to promote (as opposed to positing unreal stances from others) I’d appreciate it if you’d do it.

        • petetalbot

          Not sure what unrealistic stances from others that I posited, Rob. And I’m not “angry at the rich” as much as I’m upset at the economic conditions that allow the richest 1 percent of Americans to take home almost 24 percent of income, up from 9 percent in 1976.

          As to a “realistic alternative,” I have no silver bullet. Strong unions, a more progressive tax system, the revamp of a political process where elections go to the highest bidder and lobbyists write our legislation … well, that would be a start.

          Radical? Maybe, but I’m a pretty moderate guy when you look at posts and comments from around the ‘sphere.

          Again (and again) what I was trying to point out in my rather pedestrian post was the irony of it all: membership swells at the Yellowstone Club while poverty rates hit a 15 year high.

          • i appreciate the irony here pete. i will make the most of enjoying it as long as making observations about the growing disparity of america’s economic opportunity is still legal in this country.

            let others genuflect. i prefer to stand with those who speak for those who point out suffering while wealth grows to unprecedented levels for the top 2% of americans. and i choose to stand with those who are unafraid to point these disparities out.

          • Not sure what unrealistic stances from others that I posited, Rob.

            That much is at least easy to answer.

            Yet Rob endorses “trickle down” economics? I expected the comments from millionaire wannabes Goof (mr bensen) and Pogo supporting the Yellowstone Club, but Rob thinks exclusive gated communities are a good thing for the Gallatin Valley? I’m taken aback.

            As to your suggestions, they are good ones. But that’s a long hard slog, made harder when the recognition of that fact is seen as capitulation by those who want things RIGHT NOW!

            Apologies if anything I’ve written has offended. That was never my intention, one moderate to another.

            • petetalbot

              No apology needed, Rob. In case you haven’t noticed, the Yellowstone Club is one of my pet peeves, like Goldman-Sachs, Dick Cheney, Joe Lieberman, jet skis … well, it’s a pretty long list.

  4. Pogo Possum

    Mr. Benson’s comments are spot on. On the western side of the state, The Bitterroot Stock Farm and it’s members, some of whom are part time visitors and some permanent residents, are subject to similar class warfare attacks.

    As for Ted Turner, while he can be an ass at times and a bit of a hypocrite, I applaud him for his business accumen and his generosity. The larger hypocrits though are the liberals who sing his praises and take his money while giving him a complete pass while holding others (less financially generous to their causes)to a far higher standard.

    • Ingemar Johansson

      I too applaud Ted’s business sense. When he brought the ranch he immediately placed a conservation easement on some the counties most developable land. In fact if I remember right the write off was half the purchase price.

      Good for Ted bad for property taxes. I willing to bet that a handful of these mansions pay more in taxes than all of Ted’s properties combined.

      • petetalbot

        ” … the write off was half the purchase price.” I seriously doubt that. There are some tax breaks for putting land into conservation easements, although property taxes aren’t among them, and they certainly don’t approach 50%.

        And I’ll bet that “a handful of these mansions” don’t even come close to paying “more in taxes than all of Ted’s properties combined.”

        I happen to think that conservation easements, for the most part, are a good thing, as do most of my Republican friends. Yes, I do have Republican friends.

  5. just because a person is wealthy is no reason to dislike him or her. but genuflecting before wealth seems a little unamerican to this bear.

    some are too critical of wealth without taking into account the person. and some are a little too fawning, in my opinion.

  6. mr benson

    BTW, Pete, nice to see your keystrokes again, anyway. I don’t think we ever agree, but I like your local focus.

    • petetalbot

      Mr Goof/Benson:

      Thanks and we actually do agree from time-to-time. However, you say above that “the north side’s doing fine, gentrifying every day, without some government program to accomplish that.”

      I wasn’t advocating for some government program (although I’m not opposed to the idea). I didn’t spell it out but was thinking that banks could free up some money for more modest building/remodeling projects. Hell, they used to throw money at anyone who walked through the door. Now, if you can put 50% down, you might get a loan. (I exaggerate but you get my drift.)

      I’m all for capital creation. It’s just the boom-and-bust cycles created by Wall Street that I abhor (dare I use the word “sustainable” again?).

      Finally, you say, “Ted’s even richer, and locked many more people out than Yellowstone Club every has or will.” You sure about that? Richer, maybe. (Although I think Bill Gates has a few more assets than Ted — again, I’m not attacking the rich in this post, just pointing out the I-R-O-N-Y.) However, the only way a non-member will get into the Yellowstone Club is if they get lost at Big Sky and ski into the wrong drainage.

      • mr benson

        I could probably get on either if I wanted to pull the strings, but it’s not a game I play, although I know you, Pete, were using the general plural “you” and not “you, goof”.

        And yes, I’m sure of Ted’s relative value versus the “yellowstone club” and his penchant for locking up previously accessible ranches.

        Also, conservation easement or no, doesn’t matter for property taxes. Ag land is taxed at next to nothing, and nothing from nothing is nothing. Livestock and personal property taxes for ag have certain exemptions too. (Heck I dunno if we even tax your neighbor’s ass anymore)


      • Pogo Possum

        “. . . banks could free up some money for more modest building/remodeling projects”

        I spoke with one of the local bank presidents a few weeks ago on that very subject, Pete. He told me he would love to be able to lend more money but current fed regulations are making that difficult. He said the feds are demanding the banks “tighten up” their credit requirements for lending thus making it more difficult for prospective homeowners to qualify. The feds are also telling bankers to clean up their commercial lending portfolios so liquidity is tight there as well. It might be a tough 2011.

        • builder friend told me today if you don’t have the money to build or remodel, don’t even bother applying. a friend who is owns a very successful business told me he has never had trouble with his line of credit to order parts for his inventory…. until this month.

          some bad mojo out there right now.

          although, it does seem we may be hitting the bottom and the only way to go is up this spring. let’s all hope so.

          • mr benson

            The foreclosures and bankruptcies are either on pace or accelerating. You had a “weak moment” of optimism, there, pb.

  7. Chuck

    Well done Pete.

  8. lizard19

    i’m glad to see rob acknowledges there’s a class war going on, but he seems misguided about why “we” are losing it.

    we are losing it because the corporate democratic party has sold us out. they didn’t really have much of a choice, though, because in order to compete with corporate republicans and their campaign financing, they had to find a way to replace the waning power of organized labor, which has been getting killed from the consequences of globalization.

    so as the investigations ramp up in congress, we’re going to be inundated with republican propaganda about how this financial crisis happened. obviously it’s because stupid poor people bought houses they couldn’t afford, which is why fannie and freddie will be scrutinized.

    let’s just forget about the irresponsible lenders, the fraud, the shadow derivative market, the fraud, the deregulation of safeguards like Glass-Steagall (thanks Bill!), the corporate revolving door Obama lied about stopping, and the fraud.

    the failure of Obama to go after the real perps has allowed the false republican narrative to re-emerge. and the failure of substantive financial reform will ensure market shenanigans and corporate socialism will continue as the wealthy make out like bandits.

    • i’m glad to see rob acknowledges there’s a class war going on, but he seems misguided about why “we” are losing it.

      Lighten up, Francis.

      You’re correct in your exposition, but a bit twisted about who the enemy is.

      • lizard19

        i think lightening up would do me good, for sure.

        but it’s hard when inequity has gotten so insane and complicity so bipartisan.

        • Lizard, I put it to you that the complicit energy given to the corporatist agenda is not ‘bipartisan’ at all. It is, as MarkT has so appropriately pointed out, coming from both parties. But where he errs is in painting the parties with the same big brush. He over generalizes. There is still a core Democratic party, and still a core Republican party. What we are witnessing I would suggest has been growing for about 30 years (probably more like 50). It is in fact a third party, the Corporatists if you wish. And they’re just simply better at lying than the other two are; so much so that they are able to hide themselves within the two media recognized entities.

          By laying our economy at the feet of the Democrats, one actually serves the wish of the Corporatists. All the benefit with none of the blame. Didn’t we just spend a decade deriding the Republicans for the same thing? The Democrats haven’t sold us out, so how can the “corporate democratic party” have done so?

          I’ve never joked about elected more and better Democrats, any more than the Tea Party jokes about electing better conservatives. It is simply the nature of the beast that the Corporatists can more easily sway conservatives to believe an illusion than Democrats can sway liberals to disbelieve a generalization.

          I hope this is a discussion that will be ongoing.

  9. Pogo Possum

    I do agree with you Pete that properly designed conservation easements can be an advantageous tool that benefit both land owners and the general public. I also have no problem with Turner taking advantage of any publically available tax incentives or government programs to operate his holdings in Montana.

    I don’t know the details but Ingemar could be correct that the write off on some of the easements might have been half the purchase price. That sounds about right. Turner’s annual property taxes might also have been significantly reduced if his properties were re-zoned due to the development restrictions within the easement document.

    Turner is the largest private landowner in the US with somewhere around 2 million acres scattered around the country in 11 states. That’s 3,000 square miles – bigger than Delaware or Rhode Island. He once said, “”I don’t want to own every ranch I just want to own the ranch next door.”

    All the ranches I am aware of are gated and make a portion of their revenue from paid hunts on lands that at one time were open to the public for hunting access.

    If you want to hunt Ted’s Flying D Ranch then bring your checkbook:
    Rocky Mountain Elk hunt $14,000
    Trophy Bull Bison hunt $4,000
    Mule Deer Hunt $3,500
    Whiteatail Deer hunt $2,250

    I am not a fan of “high fence” hunting that Turner uses on some of his ranches but that is his right as a land owner. However, it also makes Ingemar’s claim that Turner has “locked many more people out than Yellowstone Club every has or will” seem very possible.

    Turner can be a very mixed bag when it comes to what he preaches and what he practices that is nothing but hypocritical at times. That goes equally for some of his liberal supporters who take his money, sing his praises and turn a blind eye to his “environmental transgressions”. (I am not pointing the finger at you here Pete).

    If a prominent conservative owned the Flying D ranch and used the exact same land management practices, tax incentives, government programs and hunting practices, he/she would be crucified by the left.

    Here is a compendium of complaints by some who feel the left is giving Turner an undeserved pass:

    “Turner’s Millions Quiet Critics

    America’s largest private landowner, billionaire Ted Turner, cuts timber on his properties, drills for natural gas, sponsors bison hunts, has erected fences that “snare and torture migrating wildlife,” and even bulldozed a hilltop because he didn’t like the view. So why does he get a pass from eco-extremists?

    Turner has bought the complicity of groups like Earth First! and the Rainforest Action Network by dumping big money into the environmental movement through his foundation. They call him “Daddy Greenbucks.” “


    • Actually, Pogo, if you want to hunt Ted’s ranch for elk, it only costs you $135 fine after the fact, if you’re Joe Balyeat.

    • Ingemar Johansson

      No, I am right about the easement rite-off. I remember at the time the Flyin D sold for around 20M. By eliminating the option of subdividing properties in the mouth of the canyon closest to Bozeman he devalued his purchase by half or ten million.

      Normally you’d never hear all the financial details of the easement but at the time The Nature Conservancy and The Montana Land Reliance were in their infancy so Turner’s accusation details were exposed in order to promote further easements.

      And our ranches are in easements.

  10. Chuck

    Bo Turner will take you hunting for around 12 grand. We pack in some miles to hunt public land next door.

  11. petetalbot

    Sorry to hear Ted is closing his property to hunters (unless they’re willing to pay big dollars). I would expect any rancher/landowner to be concerned about hunters on their property, especially if they’re running cows or bison. That being said, it would be nice if Ted allowed access to a portion of his holdings. Maybe Karma will catch up with him.

    Also it seems like paying $4000 for a “Trophy Bull Bison” is just wrong. Doesn’t seem sporting to shoot an animal you could bludgeon to death with a pick ax, but then I’m no hunter.

    • Pogo Possum

      A pick ax would not be a very good choice to take down a full grown 2,000 pound mature bull bison, Pete. They can be tough critters to dispatch from a distance especially for the novice. They have massive lungs that allow them to sustain a lot of damage and travel a great distance if wounded and pursued.

      I had a friend who decided to get into the bison raising business. He said they were unbelievably quick and could be extremely dangerous in close quarters. He sold his herd after one almost killed him while he was working a holding pen.

      I have spoken to people who paid for “canned hunts” and dropped their animal with one shot behind the ear at 30 yards in a corral. I have several friends who paid for free range fair chase hunts on very large ranches who said they worked their butts off to stalk withing 200 yeards and needed 3 or 4 shots and a lot of tracking to finish the kill. I know others who have taken them with less difficulty in fair chase hunts.

      Like all hunting, succcess and efficiency on a bison hunt depends on the hunting conditions and the skill of the hunter.

      I have no idea if Turner provides fair chase or canned bison hunts but $4,000 for 900+ pounds of bison meat is not a bad deal.

      • petetalbot

        You’ve never seen me wield a pick ax, Pogo.

        • Pogo Possum

          Hey……Hinkle has a bill in to legalize Atlatls for big game hunting. Want me to call him up and have him include legalizing hunting with a pick ax? That will add a new definiton to the term “fair chase”.

          • petetalbot

            Had to Google Atlatl. Cool! I gotta get me one of them. Also glad to see Hinkle advancing such important legislation in an otherwise mundane legislative session. The guy’s a prince.

  12. JC

    Pete, nice way to dredge up the YC’s legacy. I think that it might be instructive to remind people how the land base for the YC came about. Blixseth owned Big Sky Lumber, which purchased 164,000 acres of Plum Creek land in the Gallatin in 1992, after he sold out Crown Pacific on the coast (a company he built through strategic bankruptcies, but that’s another story).

    Blixseth then orchestrated consolidating checkerboard lands through his participation in, and connections with, republican power brokers. The result was the Gallatin Land Exchange, which transferred public lands to Blixseth, allowing him to close his land off from the public.

    There is a nice history of Blixseth and the YC at OregonLive. Here is a short excerpt:

    “He and his partners bought the land from Plum Creek Timber, a corporate descendant of Northern Pacific Railroad, which, in 1864 acquired many thousands of acres in the West from the U.S. government for free. Back then, as Congress tried to encourage Americans to move west, it gave Northern Pacific a checkerboard of land — every other mile within the right-of-way of new track it planned to lay from the Great Lakes to the Pacific Ocean.

    Over the years, the railroad sold much of its land to timber companies. The sections in-between were national forest land.

    The checkerboard pattern of public and private land became prime trading stock for timber barons, such as Blixseth, and for the federal government.

    Blixseth has nourished alliances in powerful arenas. He is generous contributor to Republican political campaigns. He serves as president of the board of directors of Empower America, a conservative organization run by Jack Kemp, former Republican congressman, 1996 vice presidential candidate and a founding member of the Yellowstone Club. Empower America’s mission is to “steer public policy in favor of individual freedom and opportunity.”

    So Blixseth was not shy on influence when the Congress-approved property swaps known as the Gallatin Land Exchanges took place in 1993 and 1998.

    In the trades, Blixseth and Big Sky Lumber gave the government nearly 92,000 acres of environmentally sensitive land near Yellowstone National Park. Big Sky Lumber got more than 45,000 acres in return. About 6,000 of those acres allowed Blixseth to consolidate private and publicly owned lands into what today is his Yellowstone Club.

    The mere fact that the exclusive retreat — its boundaries armed with infrared security cameras to keep intruders out — sits on land that once belonged to the public irks some residents.”

    Many of us have not forgot the Gallatin Land Exchanges, and the power politics surrounding them. One does not have to reach into class warfare issues to condemn much of what went on in the Gallatin.

    The YC represents all that is wrong with the collusion of wealthy corporatists with corrupt politicians to transfer public assets into private hands, and in the process create a situation of inequity with its own social problems (how many YC employees have died or sustained serious injuries on dangerous highway 191 while commuting to affordable housing dozens of miles away? I know of several instances, including one friend who ended up submerged in the Gallatin on a frigid sub-zero day. I myself almost met my maker commuting 191 back in the late 70’s when I was working at Big Sky and there was no local affordable housing to be found for the “worker bees.”

    • Ingemar Johansson

      On a related note why does the Bozeman School District endangers the lives of Big Sky’s high schoolers by refusing that communities right to build a small school in the valley?

      Every day during the school year 9th-12th graders are forced to ride busses down and up that canyon because of the greediness attached to high dollar homes.


    (Curses under his breath)

    Kicks baby penguin. Harpoons whale.
    Clubs baby seal.


  14. No Dems own condo’s at the YC ?

    I’m sure that the Dems (the party of the rich) have their fair share – LOL

    • JC

      What does political persuasion have to do with the problems the YC poses and represents, or the process by which they obtained their land?

      Whichever party holds the White House is the party of the rich, Coobs–you know that. And the rich know that they get to control whatever politicians are in office with their bribes (donations).

      You can try and make this into a petty political squabble, but it just makes you look stupid.

    • The Polish Wolf

      I thought Dems were the party of poor parasites and welfare queens?

  15. JC

    Hehehe. Gives a whole new meaning to “Lifestyles of the Rich and Famous…”

    Actually I knew that politicians were in bed with their corporate overlords, but I didn’t know how explicit it had become. Well, maybe I did, but didn’t know there were pics to prove it.

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