wind is shifting GOP

by problembear

see, i don’t think most people in montana or wisconsin or indiana or ohio knew what they were voting for when they marked their x in the box accross from these tea party candidates. and new polls are being conducted all over the country which are starting to show that the wind is shifting for the GOP, who stupidly hitched their wagons to the tea party with a radical anti-union, anti-women, extremist agenda. now the backfire is turning on them…..

old crew boss on a backfire with my cat-skinning crew always told us to check our exits and pay attention when the wind shifts. GOP take heed.

in fact, i think the GOP attacks on unions have started people wondering if they shouldn’t join up.

  1. keep watching those wind socks B.S. and keep those cat treads greased up good. wind is shifting.

  2. The Symbol formerly known as Rob Kailey

    Fear, Swede. That’s all you have.

  3. You mean all the union vote won’t go to the GOP next time?

    OMG – What will they do ???

  4. JC

    I’m not sure if what we will see is the wind shifting, or if it is, that it is a good thing. Hear me out.

    Mr. Benson probably in his infinite wisdom hit on something when he said that the dems over-reached in the last session. NOw we can debate that till the cows come home, and that doesn’t make it right or wrong. But enough people did so that the pendulum swung to the far right. And the doings of the radical right wing movement portends to do the same, with an eventual swing back to the left. And much of that can just be explained by the wishy-washiness of centrists independents who blow in the breeze.

    What I like to think, though, is that it isn’t just the right-wing whacko movement that is making a stir. Citizen’s United and the obvious corporatization of our politics and policy may be having a far greater effect. And that will stir a sleeping giant out of his slumber.

    A lot of people just don’t pay attention to politics–and for a lot of good reasons (and the GOP likes it that way). But I think that there is a potential for a whole lot of people to start waking up to what is happening, and start to get involved in making change happen–and I’m not talking about “change you can believe in®” democrat style, either.

    There’s a good 30-40% of the populace that just isn’t involved, doesn’t vote. And the more they see what is happening–what has happened–the more that will change and an uprising will begin. And it won’t all be from the right or the left or the center, though it will come from all those directions too.

    America needs a good Egyptian-style cleansing; a popular uprising to change the way things are done. Starting with the two-party system, and the oligarchy/plutocratic rule we have.

    Give it 10 years. If it doesn’t happen that we have a major change in our country, then we will have descended to a point where the only way out will be either a revolution, or a coup.

    Either way, the next 10 years promises to live up to the maxim: may you live in interesting times.

    • when the economy is bad, people mill around and run to whatever looks good for the moment jc. i agree. the pendulum only helps give the corporate masters cover. not sure what is a good thing anymore. i think the old paradigms of power are obsolete in this new age of americans running blind-folded toward their next chimera; the reaganistic definition of the tea party version of a new day in amerika obviously is repellent enough to register huge negatives. that much i am sure of. as far as where we are going…..

      we have no idea where we are going- but we’re making good time.

    • “America needs a good Egyptian-style cleansing; a popular uprising to change the way things are done. Starting with the two-party system, and the oligarchy/plutocratic rule we have.”

      Lets adjust the violence of the Egyptian revolution for the population (and gun ownership) of the US. Are you sure that thousands of violent deaths are a fair price to pay for the ‘cleansing’ you think America needs?

      Moreover, why do you think such an uprising would benefit our side? I can almost guarantee you that if we had a popular revolt here, the result would be fewer rights for LGBTQ people, more restrictions on reproductive rights, and less environmental protection. Any populist economic gains we might make would be more than erased by massive economic losses and capital flight.

      • Ingemar Johansson

        Wisdom beyond your years.

      • JC

        “massive economic losses and capital flight.”

        Aren’t we already experiencing this?

        “why do you think such an uprising would benefit our side?”

        Didn’t you notice that I said that this would come from all sides? There’s a lot in common in the american angst right now. It isn’t about politics, or about policy. It is about who gets to control the future of our country.

        This is greater than “our side” or “their side.”

        • ““massive economic losses and capital flight.””

          No, we aren’t experiencing this. The economy is growing. Unemployment remains, yes, but we have capital flowing into our country. A revolution of the sort you are advocating would almost certainly make the poor and middle class poorer, and the rich…well, gone.

          “This is greater than “our side” or “their side”

          Is it? This is more revolution for revolution’s sake. In this case, you are saying you are willing to sacrifice LGBTQ rights, reproductive freedom, environmental protection, and the economic well being of the poorest members in our society for some abstract notion of control over our government. A revolution like Egypt is a crap shoot. It seems like a good deal when you have little left to lose, but when we are steadily making progress on gay rights and at least treading water economically, direct action like was seen in Egypt is far more destructive than can possibly be justified by whatever gains might be made.

          And I notice you conveniently failed to address any potential violence. For someone who gets mighty riled by being called an extremist because it ‘incites violence’ to then call for the non-electoral, extra-constitutional transformation of society as if that doesn’t increase the possibility of violence seems a little misguided.

        • JC

          ” The economy is growing.”

          For whom? NOt all of the unemployed and underemployed. NOt for those who are sacrificing wages and benefits to keep their jobs. NOt for those who are being preyed upon by vampire mortgage houses or banks. NOt for those who don’t have access to health insurance. NOt for those whose only wealth is tied up in the equity in their home, and that equity is plunging as the housing market keeps tanking and prices plunge.

          I know, the economy is growing for the rich and for corporations that are hording cash. The economy is growing for the top few percent of our society. For everybody else, they are suffering massive losses.

          Revolution for revolution’s sake? Hardly. You have a view of this country that is obviously taken from a very comfortable position. You need to get out among the common folk more and see how the rest of the country is living. Inequity in income distribution continues to increase. Until that reverses I maintain that the country is undergoing massive economic losses–as wealth is shifted to the rich, the rest of us suffer severe economic loss.

          And potential violence? We already have tons of violence in this country. You would maintain the status quo because you think things might get more violent? HAve you not seen the examples of peaceful transitions of power in our time? Do you not trust that american exceptionalism can result in exceptional transitions?

          And “extra-constitutional transformation of society”??? What do you think Citizen’s United was? DO you not believe it to be the Dred Scott of our time?

          Get out of your comfort zone PW, and take a good look at what’s going on in this country. I think you might start to see things a little differently with the rose colored glasses off.

          • “You have a view of this country that is obviously taken from a very comfortable position. ”

            JC, you probably shouldn’t make assumptions about people you don’t know. You have no clue what my position is. I am not going to get in a ‘who is more proletarian’ fight with you, but I don’t want to hear about the person you imagine me to be. If you want to know my actual circumstances, feel free to ask. Otherwise, stop guessing, because you’re guessing wrong.

            Because here’s exactly my point – in case of a revolution, it’s the poor people who lose nine times out of ten. France? The sans cullottes lost out to the middle class. Russia 1918? Sure, a few peasants got promoted. Many millions more were starved. China? Same story. The Eastern bloc most recently? Those with entrepreneurial skills or advantages or connections flourished; the working classes are only now beginning to recover, and only in those countries being aided by the EU. And in all of these cases, any accompanying violence has been suffered primarily by whom? The poor.

            And I do think the US is exceptional – exceptionally big. The history of revolutions in big nations as opposed to poor ones is if anything worse.

            You may have noticed, the unemployment rate is dropping, has been since October. No, not everything is fixed. But there are millions of people in America who are trying and succeeding at building lives for themselves. Any radical transition like you propose will put an end to that for at least a decade.

          • JC

            When I say comfortable position, it is what I infer from the things I hear you say. Not necessarily your economic status. Even a homeless person has a comfort zone. Not one you or I might want to share, but all humans manage to find a place of solace no matter their position in life.

            For instance, you say “You may have noticed, the unemployment rate is dropping, has been since October”. That’s an incredibly disingenuous thing to say, because the rate of job creation has not kept up with even the number of new jobs needed to keep the job market on an even keel.

            The unemployment rate is lowering because people are leaving the job market, and are no longer counted. The real unemployment rate is over 16% right now.

            So when I hear you make all of these statements about our economy, or unemployment, or compare what may happen in this country to the worst that has happened historically during revolution, I hear the voice of a person who is comfortable with where we are. You’re not challenging the status quo, or the conventional wisdom.

            You’re repeating talking points meant to soothe and assuage the fears of our populace. You’re asking us to be comfortable with our condition, because it appears that you are comfortable with it–at least you talk about as if you are.

            When I say “get out of your comfort zone” I mean get out of your normal work-a-day world and do something different.

            Go and volunteer at a homeless shelter, or foodbank if you don’t already. Do some service with those less fortunate than you, if you haven’t. Listen to their stories and see if they think the economy is improving, if politicians are solving their problems, if they see light at the end of the tunnel, if they think that maybe our country needs radical change to improve the lot of the less fortunate.

            It’s easy to look at our condition from 30,000 feet and proclaim that things are ok enough to not demand radical change. That things could get worse if we demand that we want major change from the status quo. That’s the impression you give me from your writings. That’s really depressing in my book. It is defeatist.

            What’s hard is to look at the condition of our country and say it could be far better, far more egalitarian. When I say revolution, I don’t necessarily mean armed insurrection. When I say “Egyptian-style revolution” I mean a populist uprising–from the people.

            We can have a soft revolution, but we have to have some vision of what we want, and some fire in our heart because we don’t accept where we are. After all, that is what led our country in its first revolution.

            • lizard19

              great response, JC.

            • “but we have to have some vision of what we want”

              Do we have it?

              Here’s my concern. Your revolution, the one you want and indeed the one I may well embrace if it came to pass, probably has a few facets. I’m guessing, single payer health care, greater well fare benefits, maybe heavier investments in education and infrastructure, restrictions on corporate person hood, and probably less spending on the military. Is that about right?

              The trouble is, you don’t really have a majority of Americans behind you, because the majority of Americans believe (in my opinion correctly) that these things will inhibit their ability to buy things. And it really all comes down to things.

              NOW, if you want my opinion, we have too many things, badly distributed. But redistributing them is incredibly hard because our current system favors the wealthy, as you’ve noticed. Now, we can work within that system, which means compromise and patience. Or you can work outside of the system to change the governing structure. I’ll all for the former, though I am realistic about its potential.

              The latter, I fear, cannot be accomplished. Revolutions have a tendency to wipe out wealth, not redistribute it. Much of it will leave the country as people and companies understandably get skittish about a country where a great many people try to bring about change outside established laws. The collapse of our currency and stock market should serve to guarantee that the poor remain just as poor as they were before, even if they will certainly have a greater proportion of the total wealth in the country. The idea that a revolution will help us materially is far-fetched – it has seldom happened. A damaged economy is generally the price paid for greater political freedom when revolutions like the one in Egypt occur. Given that most Americans are happy with their political freedom, an Egypt here wouldn’t be worth the cost.

              But I do agree that we need a revolution – more people ought to start volunteering and giving money to charities, not to galvanize them for some revolution that will fix the government. We need to do it to build a civil society where people are willing to help one another even when the government is unwilling or incapable of so doing. Americans are fully capable of fixing this without scrapping our form of government.

              While politicians plod along making slow but steady progress towards a better society, adequate civil society can fill in the gaps. The letter lizard posted is a tragic example – people don’t commit suicide because they feel their government doesn’t care, but because they feel their society doesn’t care. How many Americans would choose leaving an extra ten percent tip over an extra four buffalo wings? How many Americans would be willing to spend extra money to buy clothes manufactured by other Americans? How many Americans will delay buying a new car so they can be ready to give money to someone who needs it? Not nearly enough.

              These actions are what can bring us back from the brink, because they actually create value. The same amount of money is spent, but those who have extra voluntarily choose to spend less to allow those who have less to meet their needs. Until we’re willing to take the first steps voluntarily, I don’t think you’ll ever see a successful movement to use the government to bring about these changes.

  5. Lizard’s post a few days back hit on this topic as well. Good to see that the polls are showing that America isn’t buying into the Republican plan.

    • Lynn

      Denny’s got a deal, gets his salary for drinking with his buddies and just voting which ever way they say. Does not have to read bills or anything

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