Obama had the best weekend ever

By Duganz

Two videos, two nights, two reasons that Obama had the best weekend ever.

Saturday, he grabs laughs and makes one hell of a reference to The Lion King.

Sunday, well, he cemented his reelection, and made Donald Trump shit himself.

I made some baked potato soup… so, ya know, I did that.

Okay, I’m not exciting. But at least I’m not a Republican tonight. How’s it feel guys?


  1. Ingemar Johansson

    If Dems had their way we would let the Gitmo connection walk.

    “U.S. officials did not share with foreign governments any details about the operation before it took place, a senior administration official said, including with Pakistan, whose leaders were informed after the raid. Only a “very small number” of people within the U.S. government knew about it, the senior official said.
    The operation, according to senior officials who briefed reporters early Monday morning, hinged almost entirely on the hunt for a single man: a courier operating out of Pakistan who had been trusted by bin Laden for years.

    Using information from detainees in U.S. custody, U.S. analysts and operatives spent years figuring out the courier’s identity, concluding that he was a former protege of Khalid Sheik Mohammed, the self-declared mastermind of the Sept. 11 attacks who is being held at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba. The courier “in particular had our constant attention,” the official said.

    Detainees “identified this man as one of the few al-Qaeda couriers trusted by bin Laden, indicated he might be living with or protecting bin Laden,” the official said. But for years, the United States was unable to track him down or uncover his real name, which did not happen until four years ago. Two years ago, U.S. officials narrowed down the region in Pakistan where the courier was working, senior administration officials said.”

    So, the Guantanamo suspects that some people wanted to release and some people didn’t want to interrogate harshly actually gave up the courier. Four years ago. Ahem.

    • Ingemar Johansson

      Shorter version.

      Waterboarding for the win.

      • The mental gymnastic you needed to do to make that work in your mind shows a propensity for bullshit and willful ignorance that I can’t comprehend.

        Water boarding him got us a name, and ot enough to find him. Treating him like a human being, and wouldn’t you know it, he gives up Bin Laden’s address. It’s not “water boarding for the win” it’s being decent—like always.

        And no one advocated for the release of someone like Khalid Sheik Mohammed. Many of us advocated for releasing the ones who have been held without charges and… Why am I wasting my time? You’re not going to admit how the change in Gitmo prisoner treatment HELPED and that that WASN’T the waterboarding you’re advocating.

        • Ingemar Johansson

          Read it and weep.

          In an exclusive interview with Fox News only hours ago, best selling author Richard Miniter claims the C.I.A. trail that lead to the killing of Bin Laden began with the capture of terrorist Khalid Shekh Mohammed, and that his 183 waterboarding sessions in 2005 did the trick. According to Miniter, author of the best seller “Losing Bin Laden” which details the failures of Bill Clinton, KSM gave up the nick-name of one of UBL’s personal curriors and that the currior’s name was then confirmed by other detainees. That same currior may have been killed along with Bin Laden by the Navy Seals.

          Maybe we should give Cheney the metal of honor, because he personally held KSM’s head under water.

          • petetalbot

            “In an exclusive interview with Fox News … ” That says it all, Ingy.

          • Oh, well, I’d hate to besmirch the good name of any FoxNews analyst, but all things considered this guy has no fucking clue what he’s talking about.

            They got the courier’s name in 2007. They tracked the courier in 2009. It wasn’t until August that they found the courier in Abbottabad.

            It took until this week to confirm the intelligence that’s been gathered since the uttering of a name.

            Also interesting, Khalid Sheikh Mohammed was waterboarded in 2003, Swede. And he was in Jordan, not at Gitmo? Why is that important? Because the CIA has already said it was detainees at Gitmo who first leaked the name. The timelines between you and your “analyst” don’t add up because they’re lies.

            Get it? Lies.

            Also, it’s “Medal of Honor,” no “metal of honor.” But we agree on this: Dick Cheney’s name should never be in the same sentence of Medal of Honor (unless the sentence reads: “Medal of Honor winner kicks Dick Cheney in the face”).

            Want to know who’s debunking you? Those terrible liberals at The Weekly Standard. (http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/osama-bin-laden-s-courier-named-leaked-gitmo-file_558591.html)

            Just take your lumps Swede.

            • Ingemar Johansson

              Not so fast. Looks like the enhanced techniques were used over seas.

              From AP.

              “WASHINGTON — Officials say CIA interrogators in secret overseas prisons developed the first strands of information that ultimately led to the killing of Osama bin Laden.

              Current and former U.S. officials say that Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, the mastermind of the Sept. 11, 2001 terrorist attacks, provided the nom de guerre of one of bin Laden’s most trusted aides. The CIA got similar information from Mohammed’s successor, Abu Faraj al-Libi. Both were subjected to harsh interrogation tactics inside CIA prisons in Poland and Romania.”

              Now we need to compare Cheney’s travel schedule.

              • And then I play… This card. http://wapo.st/kDd4lW And with that let me just drop the mic and walk away the champion.

              • You really should read more than just the headlines when you quote a link, Duganz. Not even Ingomar could have found a better quote to support his position.

                From your own link:

                “Phone call led US to bin Laden’s doorstep, capping a hunt that began in a secret CIA prison

                In a secret CIA prison in Eastern Europe years ago, al-Qaida’s No. 3 leader, Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, gave authorities the nicknames of several of bin Laden’s couriers, four former U.S. intelligence officials said. Those names were among thousands of leads the CIA was pursuing.
                One man became a particular interest for the agency when another detainee, Abu Faraj al-Libi, told interrogators that when he was promoted to succeed Mohammed as al-Qaida’s operational leader he received the word through a courier. Only bin Laden would have given al-Libi that promotion, CIA officials believed.
                If they could find that courier, they’d find bin Laden.”

                Now here is the clincher from your own source, Duganz…..

                “The revelation that intelligence gleaned from the CIA’s so-called black sites helped kill bin Laden was seen as vindication for many intelligence officials who have been repeatedly investigated and criticized for their involvement in a program that involved the harshest interrogation methods in U.S. History.

                “We got beat up for it, but those efforts led to this great day,” said Marty Martin, a retired CIA officer who for years led the hunt for bin Laden.”

                Now pick up that Mic and hand it back to Ingemar along with that “Champion” title you were a little too quick to claim.

          • Sandy

            Hey ya Ingemar,
            At first I thought, hmmm, what’s this word currior of which you speak? Could it be a word I’ve never heard of? Then I realized you just don’t know how to spell. It’s courier. Misspell words and you lose all credibility. For the win.. : )

  2. Merrill Bradshaw

    1985-Ronald Reagan meets with the Taliband

    “These gentlemen are the moral equivalents of Americas Founding Fathers.” Ronald Reagan

  3. I think it’s plain to see, that Pakistan is not our friend.

    Bin Laden built a million-dollar house, right in plain sight, and they couldn’t find him, right ?

    IMO, none of the Arab states are our friends, and that we are simply their oil customer that they don’t like very much, but tolerate because we borrow money to buy their oil.

    • JC

      Who’s borrowing money to buy their oil?

      Exxon? BP? Koch Industries? Conoco?

      Why would the most profitable corporations in the world borrow money to buy oil? You’re delusional, Eric.

      • JC – the US Government is currently borrowing $188 million dollars an hour. Since oil is what makes our economy function, much of that debt is spent on paying OPEC.

        I guess I should have explained it to you better – I keep forgetting that pseudo-intellectuals have a hard time with comprehension.

      • JC – just something to keep in mind – only a small percentage of global oil comes from private companies. National companies are much more important providers of oil.

      • JC

        Both of you answer this question: how much oil does the U.S. government buy from “Arab states?”

        And I don’t know of any “national companies” providing oil in the U.S. Wish that it were. And I’m well aware of the extent of national oil companies.

        The U.S. government is not borrowing any money to buy oil from “Arab States.” Nor are U.S. oil companies.

        Coobs may be putting gas on his credit card, but that’s his problem, and nobody else’s.

        • OK JC – stop and think about it.

          Here are some questions for you – nice, easy questions;

          (1) What substance powers Air Force One, and all military jet aircraft?

          Ans: Jet Fuel

          (2) What substance powers all Government vehicles & Equipment ?

          Ans: Gasoline / Jet Fuel

          The General Services Administration’s report, released this month, found that the federal fleet of vehicles – not including military – increased its gas consumption to 322 million gallons in 2010, up 7 percent from 301 million gallons in 2009, the largest yearly increase in the past five years.

          This is the same Govt that is borrowing $188 million dollars an hour. They are borrowing money to buy oil.

          So my point is quite valid – the Arabs are NOT our friends, we are simply their customer, that they don’t like very much.

  4. Just think how bad Lizard feels, Duganz. He still thinks 9/11 was a CIA conspiracy.

  5. I am not feeling any sting Duganz. In fact I am downright happy the Navy Seals got the SOB though I can also appreciate Pete’s comments concerning people dancing in the streets on the news.

    I am especially happy Obama agreed with and continued many of the decisions, policies and actions started by the Bush administration in spite of Obama’s statements and promises to the contrary issued during the 2008 election.

    I compliment Obama on his persistance and on using the intelligence information gathered in 2007 (that was gathered as a result of more Bush policies and actions) that ultimatly led to the capture and death of Bin Laden.

    Obama showed courtesy when he called both Presidents Bush and Clinton to let them know the news before he announced it to the world.

    Republicans, Democrats and Independents should all thank Obama, Bush, our service men and women in harms way and especially the US Navy Seals and our intellignence community for eliminating this terrorist and mass murderer.

    • Well, that’s a bunch of fertilizer.

      After declaring in September of 2011 that ‘we would get Bin Laden dead or alive’, as part of the justification for the attack on Afghanistan, it only took Dubya 5 months to forget all about that pledge. In March of 2002, he declared:

      Who knows if he’s hiding in some cave or not. We haven’t heard from him in a long time. The idea of focusing on one person really indicates to me people don’t understand the scope of the mission. Terror is bigger than one person. He’s just a person who’s been marginalized…. I don’t know where he is. I really just don’t spend that much time on him, to be honest with you.

      Of course, by then he was already beating the drum for Dead Eye Dick’s chosen war in Iraq.

      In the campaign of 2008, during the debates, President Obama said quite clearly that he would go into Pakistan to get Bin Laden, with or without that nations approval. That was a pretty big departure from any Bush policy. John McCain couldn’t commit to such a thing and drew ire because of his defense of Cheney’s war with no thought to the justice that the American people wanted from Bin Laden.

      And here you are telling others that we should applaud the guy who a) broke a direct promise to the American people, not as a candidate but as the nation’s President, b) instituted a reviled doctrine of naked preemptive aggression that will forever bear his name, and c) refused to do what Obama did.

      I, for one, won’t waste a single clap cheering for that loser, George W. Bush. He gave Bin Laden everything the terrorist could have hoped for, save the ultimate goal of a full scale global war against Islam. Dumbya impoverished the country to do it. President Obama, on the other hand, kept his promise. He found Bin Laden and killed him, and he didn’t even have to invade a nation to do it. More to the point, he did what the people of this country wanted him to do. Whether you think the killing of Osama is good, bad, right, wrong, moral or immoral, the celebrations last night and today speak volumes of what the people of this nation wanted.

  6. Chuck

    How frikken incompentent were BushCheney?
    WMD’s
    Tora Bora and now Fox says they had the courier …yet BushCheney were looking in caves. The Rethugs would be better to leave BushCheney out of this before their boys are tried for treason.

  7. i am sure there was plenty of “down side” going on around the conference table before this thing was launched. plenty of people telling potus that he might be risking a very dicey carter like mistake before an election. the wimpy thing would have been to tell the seals to hold off like bush did when special ops had him in their sites in 05, but our president made the tough decision. he trusted in the professionalism of our finest and i am glad he did.

    well done mr president. well done. thank you for having the courage to trust our fighting forces to bring osama to justice.

  8. Pogo, I’ve had to move my response down here. Anyway… BS said that it was water boarding that got the intel. It wasn’t. It was normal interrogating.

    • You are still wrong Duganz.

      Water boarding was used on Khalid Sheikh Mohammed (see below). What do you think the phrase “harsh interrogation methods” mean? It ain’t CSI Miami with a cute blond in an air conditioned room.

      KSM then gave up the name of four couriers in 2007 and the CIA narrowed those names down to the key courier when Abu Faraj al-Libi later said he received his promotion through the same courier and the CIA correctly guessed it could only have come from Bin Laden. It took a while longer for them to track the courier to the safe house and Bin Laden in Pakistan. It was excellent spy and detective work that spanned two administrations.

      There are plenty of congratulations to go around here, Duganz – to both Obama and Bush. For some reason, it is the liberal Democrats who seem to be the most upset and most stingy about all of this.

      Here is the part about KSM being water boarded. Hand that mic back to Ingemar when you are done reading.

      ************************
      WASHINGTON, Feb 5 (Reuters) – The CIA used a widely condemned interrogation technique known as waterboarding on three suspects captured after the Sept. 11 attacks, CIA Director Michael Hayden told Congress on Tuesday.

      “Waterboarding has been used on only three detainees,” Hayden told the Senate Intelligence Committee.. . .Those subjected to waterboarding were suspected Sept. 11 mastermind Khalid Sheikh Mohammed and senior al Qaeda leaders Abu Zubaydah and Abd al-Rahim al-Nashiri, Hayden said at the Senate hearing on threats to the United States.
      http://www.reuters.com/article/2008/02/05/idUSN05191813

  9. Sigh. Even Rummy is saying that it wasn’t during waterboarding that he spoke up about the courier intell. But live in your own world. You bore me.

    • Ingemar Johansson

      You’re taking the word of a war criminal?

      • A war criminal who is honest about why he’s a war criminal? Yes. He could easily take credit for his “harsh interrogation” techniques working, but he hasn’t. Because they didn’t. And so, yes, I buy this bit of Rummy info.

    • Looks like the book is still open on whether “enhanced techniques” (i.e. water boarding) helped lead to Bin Laden, Duganz.

      http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2011/05/03/panetta_open_question_if_waterboarding_helped_find_bin_laden.html

      BRIAN WILLIAMS: . . . are you denying that water boarding was in part among the tactics used to extract the intelligence that lead to this successful mission.

      LEON PANETTA: No I think some of the detainees clearly were, you know, they used these enhanced interrogation techniques against some of these detainees. But I’m also saying that, you know, the debate about whether we would have gotten the same information through other approaches I think is always going to be an open question.

      BRIAN WILLIAMS: So final point one final time. Enhanced interrogation techniques, which has always been kind of a handy euphemism in these post 9/11 years, that it includes water boarding?

      LEON PANETTA: That’s correct.

  10. Jesse Homs

    It is so interesting that Duganz, journalist, is not skeptical nor incredulous about all of this. Just a wide-eyed doe.

    • Conspiracies in this age are just not going to happen, particularly in the wikileaks era. For this whole operation to be a conspiracy you’d need every cabinet member, SEAL Team 6, the crew of a Navy ship, and the people who wrote extensively in the wikileaks Gitmo files about UBL (Osama) all to be in on a conspiracy. It isn’t there. Too many people.

      Americans love fame, and someone in that giant group would want to make Obama look foolish. So they would say something. And they haven’t. I’m not blindly taking the words of one or two people here, I’m paying attention to many sources.

      But have fun trying to make this into a larger conspiracy. Maybe they used nano-thermite to explode a random house in Pakistan, and filmed it so we just THOUGHT they were on the moon. And did you notice how every assassin has three names? Lee Harvey Oswald? SEAL Team 6? Tree names man! Get it. It’s all there.

      Conspiracies never add up. Not one. And when they do, it’s people within the conspiracy taking about it to everyone.

      • Jesse Homs

        You’re doing the job you’re paid to do. Your “conspiracies” don,t have to be elaborate or even evil if you merely start with the shared understanding that American foreign policy is none of our business. It is all a tale weaves for distraction. The real business of state and business goes on behind the scenes. Not just today’s, abut always. Journalists have always been third-rate minds, as anyone in your line of work with an ounce of disdain for official truth is drummed out. What is left is … You and Anderson Cooper and friends, courtesy of Warner Brothers.

        • Jesse, I’m not a paid journalist, and what I do here isn’t journalism. I give my take on the events, for free. And you’re free tomdisagree.

          But, some facts you’ve got wrong: Again, I’m not working here as a journalist; I believe foreign policy is our business; I don’t work for Warner Brothers, I work for a non-profit in Missoula.

          Feel free to attack my opinions, but get your facts straight about me. It’s not too hard. There’s a bio right up there on th left.

        • Oops. Right side! Bio is on the right side! Also, Hi Mark.

      • Jesse Homs

        All right then, and I’ll try to be kinder, as the illusions that drive your thoughts are universal. American foreign policy is thought to be far too important to be left to the whims of voters, who are emotional, ill educated, wand preoccupied. For that reason we are never, ever told the truth about anything. Instead, we are manipulated by symbols and emotions to support existing policy, which do not change due to electoral politics.

        You referred to this as conspiratorial thinking, whic it is not. Far from it. It is merely a system of politics that marginalizes the voting public and keeps them busy while the grown-ups are running things. Foreign policy is simply none of our beeswax.

        So, to understand what is going on you have to discard what they are saying, knowing that lying is natural and even necessary, and try to figure what is really going on.

        Osama was not killed, they did not find his body, there was no masice intelligence operation. It’s all made up. He’s been dead for almost a decade now, killed shortly after giving a final taped interview in December 2001 in which he denied having any part in 9/11.

        So when a massive PR operation likethis happens, the question is … What’s really up? It’s part of the citizenship test, to be vigilant. Start first thing tomorrow.

        Really hard to type on this device. sorry for typos.

  11. “…..Even Rummy is saying that it wasn’t during waterboarding that he spoke up about the courier intell.”

    Looks like Rumsfeld just made it clear the left spun his words just a bit, Duganz…….

    “CIA Director Panetta indicated that one of the individuals who provided important information had in fact been waterboarded…..There was some confusion today on some programs, even one on FOX I think, suggesting that I indicated that no one who was waterboarded at Guantanamo provided any informaiton on this. IT’S NOT TRUE. No one was waterboarded at Guantanamo by the US military. In fact no one was waterboarded at Guantanamo period. Three people were waterboarded by the CIA away from Guantanamo and then later were brought to Guantanamo. And, in fact, as you pointed out the information from these individuals was critically important.”

    But in fairness, it’s hard to keep track of what is accurate and inaccurate in the past few days especially from Obama’s spokespeople: Bin Laden had a weapon and fired on troops – Bin Laden was unarmed……Bin Laden used his wife as a human shield – he didn’t use her as a shield……troops shot and killed his wife – they shot her in the leg……troops killed one son – nope they killed the other son……the Seals had a kill order on Obama – they had a kill or capture order. These guys need to sit down and get their facts straight before they cause anymore confusion.

    • Well, on this point we agree: lots of useless bickering on this thread would have been avoided had everyone, ya know, attended a freaking meeting before talking. Jeesh.

    • lizard19

      says the lying war criminal.

      and you, Pogo, never answered my question about the ultimate insult of sending troops to die in Iraq based on a lie.

      does that upset you? do you really support our troops?

      • You bet I support our troops and am glad the US and coalition forces eliminated a mass murderer in Iraq. And the troops I have met who were in Iraq feel proud of their mission, not insulted like you Lizard.

        • lizard19

          our soldiers are doing their voluntary duty, of course they’re proud.

          but i didn’t ask whether or not you think they are proud of their mission. i asked you if sending troops to die based on lies troubles you.

          obviously it doesn’t.




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