Afghanistan Can’t Be Won

by lizard

Mr. 1% says screw 47% of the country. That’s the breaking news tonight.

What doesn’t seem to be part of the 24 news cycle is the fact the US military sustained “the single largest biggest single-day loss of U.S. combat aircraft since the Vietnam War” in Afghanistan:

The Taliban attack against Camp Bastion/ Camp Leatherneck in Afghanistan that killed two U.S. Marines and wounded several others was conducted with military like precision.

According to the Wall Street Journal, “The coordinated Taliban attack destroyed six Marine Corps AV-8B Harrier jump-jets and “significantly” damaged two others, as well as some hangars, the coalition said. The Taliban also destroyed three refueling stations. Harrier jets cost about $30 million to $40 million dollars apiece – for a total in of anywhere between $180- $240 million dollars in damage.

Is there really bipartisan support for losing this war for another two years?

Once upon a time, the strategy in Afghanistan was counter-insurgency, meaning winning hearts and minds. That will never happen. Not when we blow up women and young girls gathering firewood.

If we’re not in a shooting war with Iran by November, is it possible who ever buys/steals/lies himself into the presidency will acknowledge the war in Afghanistan is not winnable?

Because it’s not.

And based on this report, that’s now understood by military decision makers:

The strategy for getting U.S. forces out of Afghanistan depends on training Afghan soldiers and police to protect the country themselves, but on Monday the U.S. military suspended most joint field operations with Afghan forces because so many Americans are being killed by the men they are training.

Afghan government troops — our allies — have turned their guns on NATO forces 36 times this year, killing 51, most of them Americans. That is more attacks than the last two years combined.

The order effectively suspends “until further notice” most of the operations which U.S. and Afghan troops conduct side by side. At higher headquarters, Afghans and Americans will still work together, but in the field small unit operations putting Afghan soldiers alongside Americans — the guts of the U.S. strategy to turn the fighting over to Afghans — will be suspended unless an exception is granted by a commanding general.

It’s over. Bring them home.


  1. lizard19

    Rachel Maddow did cover this on her show tonight, and I hadn’t realized there were 3 separate attacks since last Friday.

    what the hell is either candidate going to say during the debates about any of this?

    stay the fucking course?

  2. Big Johansson

    11 years is enough. I agree with this comment.

    “Get out; get out NOW! The nation-building crap isn’t going to work in Afghanistan. Too many of the natives want to retain the tribal system & live in mud huts, with the women holding a position akin to the livestock. We can’t change that, and it’s time we realize that fact, and also the fact that we can no longer afford to try. The reality is that the former Soviet Union was willing to be far, far more ruthless than we; and still, they failed. This land didn’t start being called the graveyard of empires yesterday, and it’s called that for historical reasons. Accept the reality; acknowledge the futilty of continuing. I know it’s hard to swallow, especially for Americans. But refusing to accept the outcome has a less than a snowball’s chance in hell of changing said outcome…………………”

    But I also would want drone bases to stay put. If not, they’ll be patrolling our airspace.

    • Steve W

      The reality is bush invaded Afghanistan, then attacked Iraq and left Afghanistan to languish for years.

      There was a small window right at the beginning where nation building actually stood a chance, but bush squandered it on his true hearts desire, the overthrow of Saddam and a neocon experimental laboratory in stupid.

      Thanks to all the pretend conservatives who are actually a bunch of imperialistic mofos.

      • Big Johansson

        The body count (Afghan) under Obongo vs. Bush is 2 to 1 respectively. Fortunately Iraq was too far along for the Dems to “f” it up.

        That being said Bush in the beginning had the Taliban with OBL cornered in Tora Bora and a justified reason for the use of a tactical nuke. But hey, thousand of our soldiers lives and little respect from the region are more important than spilling our owns’ blood.

        The end result of this current mess is Iran running Iraq and bribing Afghans. But worse than that they think they can get away with it.

        And someday, mark my words, we’ll have to suffer great losses again in that region over mismanagement and PC war tactics.

        • Steve W

          Will the Republicans also put those future wars on the credit card too? Or will they pay as they go next time, BJ?

  3. This war was always unwinnable. If Bush hadn’t been worried about saving face and winning the 2004 election, I think they would have tried to negotiate with the Taliban for bin Laden’s surrender. After all, Bush had given them $41 million in the months before the 9/11 attacks.

    So, in the midst of a forest of American Flags flying from car antennae, assuring the drivers that they are truly “patriots” by virtue of that inconsequential act, Congress stamped and gave the Chimp the go ahead to invade a country which is beyond conquest, in any reasonable assessment of the situation. Even then, when the generals were making some progress, defined in the terms of most who weren’t victims in that country, Bush screwed the pooch by shipping a good deal of the forces to Iraq, while the Taliban rebuilt.

    In order to pay for the war, the Taliban in Afghanistan has ramped up almost industrial level opium poppy growing and heroin production. The $41 million was going to their efforts to shut down that then-cottage industry. Karzai is probably currently every bit as complicit in this venture as the Taliban.

    What do we have for “our” efforts? Minimally, a $4 trillion dollar debt that will be loaded onto the shoulders of our grandchildren.

    One representative, only one, voted against this foolishness, as courageous a vote as was that of Jeannette Rankin’s, when she was pressed to endorse our entry into WW I.

    That was Barbara Lee. I wish she was running for president.

    • Nix Nix

      Yeah, a black mama for president. That should scare the hell out of our enemies, at least more than a left-handed, Kool-smoking Muslim mulatto from Kenya.

      • Are you retarded, or do you just want us to think you are?




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