Nazis and Ebola—Happy Halloween!

by lizard

The second season of American Horror Story featured James Cromwell as a Nazi scientist allowed to continue his human experimentation in an American asylum. The show is fiction, but its storyline borrows from a very dark part of our history that usually only the “conspiracy theorists” seem to want to acknowledge. On October 26th, it was the New York Times acknowledging what’s long been know by some—In Cold War, U.S. Spy Agencies Used 1,000 Nazis. From the link:

In the decades after World War II, the C.I.A. and other United States agencies employed at least a thousand Nazis as Cold War spies and informants and, as recently as the 1990s, concealed the government’s ties to some still living in America, newly disclosed records and interviews show.

At the height of the Cold War in the 1950s, law enforcement and intelligence leaders like J. Edgar Hoover at the F.B.I. and Allen Dulles at the C.I.A. aggressively recruited onetime Nazis of all ranks as secret, anti-Soviet “assets,” declassified records show. They believed the ex-Nazis’ intelligence value against the Russians outweighed what one official called “moral lapses” in their service to the Third Reich.

Mickey Z at Counterpunch names names and describes some of those “moral lapses” committed by monsters turned intelligence assets:

*Hermann Lauterbacher, former deputy leader of the Hitler Youth.

*Franz Buensch, a propagandist who worked for Goebbels and authored the pornographic book, The Sexual Habits of Jews.

*SS Obersturmführer Hans Sommer, widely known for setting fire to seven Paris synagogues in October 1941.

*Adolf Eichmann’s chief aide, Alois Brunner (a.k.a. “Georg Fischer”). Said to be responsible for 128,500 murders, Brunner was sentenced to death (in absentia) by the French government for crimes against humanity. He was known for his lack of compassion for Jewish children, labeling them “future terrorists” who must be murdered.

*SS officer Baron Otto von Bolschwing, a senior aide to the notorious Adolf Eichmann, who assisted in drawing up the SS’s “first comprehensive program for the systematic robbery of Europe’s Jews.” Under orders from von Bolschwing, some of the many Jewish victims in a 1941 Bucharest pogrom were butchered in a meat packing plant, hung on hooks, and literally branded as “kosher meat,” while others — including a five-year-old girl — were skinned alive and left hanging by their feet like slaughtered livestock. Von Bolschwing himself stated that in 1945, “he volunteered his services to the Army CIC, which used him for interrogation and recruitment of other former Nazi intelligence officers” — an offer the U.S. readily accepted.

*SS Obersturmführer Robert Verbelen, who had once been sentenced to death in absentia for war crimes, including the torture of two U.S. Air Force pilots. After the war, he served in Vienna as a contract spy for the U.S. Army, which was completely aware of his background.

*Dr. Kurt Blome, who admitted in 1945 that he had been a leader of Nazi biological warfare research, a program known to have included experimentation on prisoners in concentration camps. In 1947, he was acquitted of crimes against humanity and then hired by the U.S. Army Chemical Corps to conduct a new round of biological weapons research.

*Blome’s colleague, Dr. Arthur Rudolph, who was accused in sworn testimony at Nuremberg of committing atrocities at the Nazis’ underground rocket works near Nordhausen but was later given U.S. citizenship and a major role in the U.S. missile program.

America assimilated Nazis into the fabric of its intelligence community. This seems outlandish, but it’s true; it’s historical fact. It’s not a huge leap, then, to wonder how responsible America might be for the Ebola outbreak. Here’s Dave Lindorff with a piece today titled With a Government this Vile and Secretive We Need to Ask Questions:

A few days ago, I published a short story linking to a PRN.fm radio interview I did with noted international law attorney Francis Boyle, whom I pointed out was a drafter of the US Biological Weapons and Anti-Terrorism Act passed into law in 1981, which act supposedly barred the United States from continuing to keep or to develop new germ warfare weapons.

Boyle told me, on last Wednesday’s radio program “This Can’t Be Happening!,” that he believes the Zaire Ebola strain that is wracking Sierra Leone, Liberia and Guinea in west Africa, originally came from one of several BSL4-level bio-research labs operated in those countries and funded by a combination of the Center for Disease Control, the National Institutes of Health and the US Defense Department, perhaps because of testing of Ebola being conducted there, or because of some containment breach.

Boyle pointed out the oddity that the epidemic is the Zaire strain, which has in the past been limited to Zaire in central Africa, and not a local strain found in fruit bats in west Africa — the alleged vector that news reports have claimed is being suspected of initiating the outbreak of the disease. As he noted, fruit bats don’t migrate, and certainly didn’t fly 2200 miles from central Africa to Liberia, Guinea and Sierra Leone.

For running this alarming interview with Boyle, I have received some criticism from readers who suggest that Boyle’s facts are weak.

Since then I have been checking out some of his claims and suspicions.

One particularly interesting one is his claim that a BSL4 lab handling Zaire Ebola in Kenema, Sierra Leone, was shut down in July by order of the Sierra Leone government.

I have confirmed that, and attach a screen shot (see below) from the Sierra Leone Ministry of Health and Sanitation’s Facebook Page. This press release declares that the ministry was setting up a new operations center in Freetown for responding to the Ebola crisis, and that in the interim before that center was up and running, all Ebola cases would be brought to a treatment center operated by the government in Kailahun.

Significantly, the announcement also said that the move of operations away from Kenema came in response to concerns expressed by “health workers and the people of Kenema.” Even more significantly, it said that Tulane University, which had been operating the lab under US government contract, was being ordered “to stop Ebola testing during the current Ebola outbreak.”

Now just what kind of “testing” of Ebola might that be, it seems fair to ask. I did try, leaving messages with several people in the public relations office at Tulane University, but got no return calls.

UPDATE:: On Thursday, a reader who is an MD contacted someone he knew at Tulane, Vice President for Research Laura Levy, asking her to explain what Tulane was doing in Kenema. He later sent me her response, which was a link to a web page on Tulane’s website. It seeks to debunk “myths” about Tulane’s work in West Africa. In that article, it states that it is a “myth” that Tulane has been ordered to leave Sierra Leone. But no one is saying that. Tulane was ordered to shut down it’s Ebola lab in the town of Kenema, not to leave Sierra Leone altogether. The article also states that it is a “myth” that the University and its researchers are “collaborating” with the military in Sierra Leone. It goes on to say that “Tulane is working with Harvard University and others in the Viral Hemorrhagic Fever Consortium to develop diagnostics, vaccines and therapeutics for Lassa fever and Ebola. Support for the consortium has come principally from the National Institutes of Health.”

But actually the consortium’s own website says that Tulane is the leader of the consortium. It lists a number of partners, including Harvard University, Scripps Research Institute, and a company called Corgenix. No government “partners” are listed. Yet Corgenix, on its company site, lists USAMRIID, the Pentagon’s bioweapons research unit, as a “member of the consortium.”

Curious indeed that Tulane Research VP Levy omitted that important bit of information.

Here’s what Coregenix had to say about USAMRIID:

USAMRIID (U.S. Army Medical Research Institute of Infectious Diseases), located at Fort Detrick, Maryland, is the lead medical research laboratory for the U.S. Biological Defense Research Program, and plays a leading role in national defense and in infectious disease research. The Institute’s mission is to conduct basic and applied research on biological threats resulting in medical solutions (such as vaccines, drugs and diagnostics) to protect the warfighter. USAMRIID is a subordinate laboratory of the U.S. Army Medical Research and Material Command.

Corgenix and USAMRIID are members of the Viral Hemorrhagic fever Consortium, working to develop state of the art diagnostic products for biothreat agents and emerging pathogens.

Not concerned yet? There’s more at the link.

Happy Halloween!


  1. evdebs

    So, Francis Boyle appears to spread his latests conspiracy theory on Alex Jones/Infowars/Prison Planet. 4&20 dutifully quotes Boyle, whom like a stopped clock, is right at least twice daily.

    Daily Telegraph
    By Mike Pflanz, Nairobi
    04 Apr 2014

    “We have a case…where a hunter who has not had any contact with anyone coming from Guinea got sick,” Bernice Dahn, Liberia’s chief medical officer, told the French news agency, AFP.

    “He was rushed to the hospital and died 30 minutes later. He never had any interaction with someone suspected to be a carrier of the virus and he has never gone to Guinea. This was an a isolated case.”

    The man died close to the eastern town of Tapeta, more than 250 miles and a five hour car journey from the Guinean border.

    One medical aid worker currently in West Africa said it was a worrying development.

    “If we have a new case like that, not linked to Guinea, then the fear is there can be more outbreaks which start anywhere in the region,” she said, not willing to give her name because the new case was not yet confirmed as unconnected to the Guinea outbreak.

    This if from the Oct. 9, New England Journal of Medicine:

    This study demonstrates the emergence of EBOV in Guinea. The high degree of similarity among the 15 partial L gene sequences, along with the three full-length sequences and the epidemiologic links between the cases, suggest a single introduction of the virus into the human population. This introduction seems to have happened in December 2013. Further epidemiologic investigation is ongoing to identify the presumed animal source of the outbreak. It is suspected that the virus was transmitted for months before the outbreak became apparent because of clusters of cases in the hospitals of Guéckédou and Macenta. This length of exposure appears to have allowed many transmission chains and thus increased the number of cases of Ebola virus disease.

    Phylogenetic analysis of the full-length sequences established a separate clade for the Guinean EBOV strain in a sister relationship with other known EBOV strains. This suggests that the EBOV strain from Guinea has evolved in parallel with the strains from the Democratic Republic of Congo and Gabon from a recent ancestor and has not been introduced from the latter countries into Guinea. However, the determination of both the timing of the introduction of the virus into Guinea and its phylogenetic origin also depend on our understanding of the evolutionary rate of EBOV in nature. A reliable estimate for this rate, such as one derived from archaeological calibration,18 may be required to answer these questions.

    Potential reservoirs of EBOV, fruit bats of the species Hypsignathus monstrosus, Epomops franqueti, and Myonycteris torquata, are present in large parts of West Africa.19 Therefore, it is possible that EBOV has circulated undetected in this region for some time. The emergence of the virus in Guinea highlights the risk of EBOV outbreaks in the whole West African subregion.

    • lizard19

      there is more to the article than just Boyle’s perspective. did you read the whole article? or did you spend the short time between this post being posted and your comment to google up material to attack Boyle?

      • evdebs

        C’mon, Liz.

        No reason to go out of your way to be an asshole.

        I read the article, i did some research, I Googled up some material, I consulted other sources.

        Nothing I found in a diligent search provided any substance to support Boyle’s current conspiracy theory of DOD and academic involvement in biowar research and experimentation that resulted in the essentially uncontrolled outbreak of disease, that has the potential to exceed a death toll that would place it on the short list of health calamities that have had worldwide consequences from the spread of HIV (where some of the loopier mouth breathers also claim that that it is a disease created by U.S. Mengele knockoffs in a Malthusian scheme to kill off black people) , the “Spanish” flu, Bubonic Plague, Black Death, etc., etc.

        I should note that over the years I have agreed in no small part with many of Boyle’s political positions, regarding U.S. foreign policy, Israel, etc., though they may be generally unpopular.

        That said, some of his conspiracy theory notions are utterly ridiculous, i.e, that Building Seven at the WTC was demolished thanks to immense quantities of explosives that had been smuggled in and cleverly concealed at critical points in the structure, to be detonated as part of a vast conspiracy to provide the foundation for a war on Iraq. I don’t for a moment think that the Bush administration was not guilty of genocide and war crimes, that it lied about virtually all elements of the failures to prevent that disaster and that it engaged in the manufacture of an extensive cover story and the maintenance of the subsequent cover up to distract the attention of the world from its prodigious malfeasance and recklessness.

        “Ridiculous” is perhaps not an appropriate description. “Lunacy” is much better.

        However, your response would lead someone who was not aware of my half-century of often extremely effective activism attacking those same forces that have done disservices to humanity. You know a bit of my history, so your canards are highly offensive.

        One of the contentions in the Counterpunch article has to do with coverups of government involvement in the genesis of this calamity. In fact, I have aggressively and deservedly been breaking the balls of the Obama administration for years, for its reactionary policies. Just yesterday I sent this note to the Department of Justice, which has been contemptuous of FOIA requirements and process.

        I have just received the most recent in a long series of denials regarding mostly simple requests that I’ve made to obtain information about the McCluskey death penalty case.

        Today I got the denial sent to me by Valerie Brinkmann. I labored trying to respond to that denial using the IFOIA.org website and was persistently bumped off for various reasons or no reasons at all until I succeeded in perhaps the 10th attempt.

        I left the following text constituting my appeal of this latest in a long series of whimsical impediments to my requests for information regarding this case. The information I have sought is the transmittal letter requesting permission to pursue that extreme penalty, for which a jury ultimately denied rendering such a verdict.

        Transmittal letter from USAG New Mexico to Eric Holder requesting permission to pursue death penalty in the case of John Charles McCluskey. Every single request I’ve made over the past two years or so for what should be clearly perceived as legitimate requests for public information regarding this case has apparently been whimsically denied. I have primarily simply been trying to ascertain how many million dollars have been spent so far in this unsuccessful prosecution and the DOJ’s response have varied from no such records exist, to the contention that all records regarding same are subject to wholesale exemptions. I never had any difficulty with many requests made to various branches of the DOJ prior to 2009 save for those made to the Office of Federal Detention Trustee. Since this and all my prior requests have been invariably denied, the current request for extension in the production of the primary document seems to be wholly unjustified. The simultaneous denial for expedited consideration seem dilatory at best. My request for a fee waiver has also been outstanding for years, but your office has once again moved my request for such consideration to the back of the queue. In my opinion, this chronic and pervasive behavior is nothing short of stonewalling and has persistently violated both the spirit and letter of the FOIA. The public is clearly not being served.

        I hope that some amicable resolution of this ongoing travesty can at last be achieved.

        To return to some sillier parts of the Counterpunch article (a sad example of what is usually a very good publication) it contends that, i.e., the US government has engaged in biowar, including in Cuba. In fact, of course, the CIA has done some incredibly stupid things in its long idiotic war on the people and government of Cuba, the “exploding cigars” assassination attempt on the life of Fidel being perhaps the most ridiculous, However, the farcical charge that the U.S. promoted the dengue epidemic in Cuba is Alex Jones-level insanity.

        At the time, decades ago, that the Cuban government made the charge, that the U.S. was deploying infected Aedes aegypti mosquitoes to initiate the outbreak, I wrote to a friend who was one of the world’s leading researchers on the species.

        I should also note that I have been a supporter of the Cuban revolution since I met with supporters in Oriente province in mid-1957!!! I have been immensely grateful that the Cuban government has just deployed hundreds of medical personnel to assist in responding to this present explosion of such a historically deadly disease vector. I would further note that a friend who had lived in Zimbabwe for years told me that if it weren’t for Cuban doctors who volunteered for service (and received pennies a day in “compensation”) were the only doctors still left in that immensely dangerous and disease ridden dictatorship.

        Before your imprudent and precipitous response to my comments regarding Boyle’s charges, I had written to that researcher, as follows:

        Very long time, no hear.
        I just read a few linked conspiracy theory articles about how Tulane and various and sundry US government and academic researchers were involved in the outbreak of Ebola in Guinea.
        One writer contended that the US DOD had a history of using biowar to affect populations around the globe, including in Cuba.
        No sources were given, of course.
        I recall many decades ago, writing a note to you about this allegation. An article spreading the contention mentioned the number of aedes mosquitoes that were being bred to spread dengue.
        In your response, you said you could breed that many skeeters in your bathtub.
        So, reading that article today tickled my memory and wondered what you were up to these days. I found your address (if it is indeed still valid) at the U.C. Davis site.

        So, Liz, I would counsel that in the future, before you launch into such a disproportionate and foolish response to someone, anyone, with whom you disagree, you might take a moment to (hopefully) let your anger or hypersensitivity subside and you can perhaps compose a more useful and logical expression of disagreement.

        “Debs”

        • lizard19

          I have good reason to take issue with your depiction of 4&20 as “dutifully quoting” Boyle after using the old Alex Jones poison-the-well conspiracy smear. and if you want to be technically accurate, I wasn’t quoting Boyle, I excerpted a portion from an article written by Lindorff.

          now it sounds like you are a busy person talking to important people, so I’m not sure why you’re wasting your time trying to smear the post of some lowly anonymous blogger.

          happy halloween, Debs.

    • JC

      So you think Francis Boyle is a conspiracy theorist? Go look at his creds at wiki, or his profile and CV at the U of Chicago then come back and repeat what you said about him. He also is responsible for writing the 1989 Biological Weapons Anti-Terrorism Act of 1989, and wrote the book “Biowarfare and Terrorism”.

      The fact that you would resort to the knee-jerk panning of Boyle (and thus trying to discredit Lizard) as a “conspiracy theorist” discredits your desire to seek the truth and puts you squarely in the column of those highly susceptible to propaganda.

      Think, man, THINK!

      • evdebs

        I watched the entire video of his interview with Alex Jones from the opening pitch for “silver colloidal generators” to the final snake oil pitches for all sorts hokum products.

        The guy made a lot of charges that were without substance. He has terrific creds. So have a lot of people who are now senile.

        Boyle discredited himself. Lizard did so when he republished this crap.

        Your spirited defense of this nonsense reveal whom you are as well.

        • JC

          Alex Jones? He’s a CIA plant out to discredit anybody who holds a bit of truth through guilt by association with him — hanging a conspiracy theorist label on them. I guess you’ve discredited yourself by using Jones as a litmus test for credibility.

          I take Boyle for what he has done in his career and what he has written. I’m smart enough to read through the fog and come to my own conclusions.

        • lizard19

          since when did I have a credible perspective? catch up, debs, I’ve been discredited as a conspiracy theorist since the start. you are just the latest to use this tired tactic.

        • Steve W

          Debs, what interview with AJ?

          I read the article by Dave Lindorff. What AJ video are you upset about?

          Dave does a great job at the end of inoculating us not to just willy nillie accept Boyle’s hypothesis. You do too and added some evidence.

          Then you, EVDebs brought Jones here, not Liz. Liz brought Dave Lindorff.

          Dave Lindorff published some interesting facts concerning US related ebola research in Guinea. All that is well separate and apart from your little AJ side trip to some unnamed website I prefer not to go to.

          Jones is a straw man and you demolished him admirably. Good job, Debs

        • Use of the CIA-invented term “conspiracy theorist” is permission to turn off brain, stop thinking critically. Works
          like a charm.

          • evdebs

            According to the Oxford English Dictionary, the first use of the phrase “conspiracy theory” occurred in a 1909 article in The American Historical Review.

            The CIA was formed in 1947.

            Is it your contention, then, that the Agency used a time machine to go back and plant the term they supposedly coined into a story published 38 years earlier?

            Just checking.

            • Steve W

              Red Herring, EV. Good job.

              There is a world of semantic difference between the Oxford’s “conspiracy theory” and the CIA’s “conspiracy theorist.”

              See when the first time “conspiracy theorist” is found in print and get back to us.

              Thanks in advance.

              • evdebs

                ‘Not a dime’s worth of difference.”

          • The term existed, but was not popularized until 1967 when, in response the Garrison investigation, CIA instructed its stations to use the term against anyone who questioned the Warren Commission Report. It has since become standard currency against anyone who criticizes American journalism or official truth concerning American crimes of state.

            For instance, even though it is on public record that RFK was killed by a bullet from a gun fired from two inches behind his ear, and though Sirhan was not close enough to have fired that shot, paths conclusion that Sirhan did not shoot RFK is a “conspiracy theory.” That’s lazy, way too easy, and provides you with a refuge in which you do not have to use your brain.

            Such information as I cite for you here is available by simple search engines, but if you restrict yourself to “debunking” sites, set up by the government to allow you your confirmation bias, you won’t find out what happened.

            You wnt to to a debunking site. Didn’t you. That’s intellectually lazy.

            • evdebs

              Obviously, your “precious bodily fluids” have been poisoned.

            • That’s a pretty dumb response, frankly, but I think I know where it comes from: You are ridiculing. Again,that’s intellectually lazy. People like you never come out of the bushes, put your ignorance on display. It’s way too easy to fire potshots, pretend you know stuff when you don’t know anything.

              Got anything else?

              • evdebs

                Confess. You’re Alex Jones in drag, aren’t you?

              • lizard19

                Mark, I think evdebs answer to your question is no.

  2. larry kurtz

    This Fresh Air driveway moment will pop your bubble if it doesn’t completely scare the shit out you:

    The Horten brothers were involved in the flying disc crash in New Mexico. And that is from a single source. … There was an unusual moment where that source became very upset and told me things that were stunning that’s almost impossible to believe at first read. And that is that a flying disc really did crash in New Mexico and it was transported to Wright-Patterson Air Force Base, and then in 1951 it was transferred to Area 51, which is why the base is called Area 51.

    Wait til you hear the REALLY freaky part.

  3. Turner

    I thought the role of Nazis working for the USA during the cold War was fairly well known. The anti-communist hysteria of the 50s and 60s led to our country’s leaders embracing these particular murderers because they happened to be anti-communist.

    I’m not so sure about the Ebola conspiracy. If it ends up being factual, I’ll be appropriately outraged.

    Now, I’m going to piss you off, Liz. And, yes, I know that’s not hard to do.

    All my adult life I’ve lived in fairly conservative parts of America. I’ve repeatedly run up against people questioning my patriotism because I’ve so often been critical of various American policies.

    They’ve said to me: “If you’re so unhappy with this country, why don’t you leave it?” Or, sometimes the more excitable ones have asked, “Why don’t you move to Russia where you belong?”

    Now I’m asking you a similar question, Liz. Why, given your utter disdain for this country, or at least its leaders and institutions, don’t you move to a country that you like better? Wouldn’t your life be better there?

    I’m not asking this in the hateful way that it was asked of me. But “love it or leave it” doesn’t seem like a bad strategy for a person wanting to lead a happy, fulfilling life.

    • lizard19

      I wouldn’t want to deprive my kids of proximity to their extended family. does that answer your worthless question?

      • Canada is just a few hours away.

        That and you’d have to sell your pistol.

        • lizard19

          pistols, Swede. I got a .357 a few weeks ago.

          • Just a guy

            Nice choice. If you don’t mind my asking, what kind? Mag or SIG? Revolver or semi auto? Brand?

            Full disclosure: non-expert firearm enthusiast

            • lizard19

              it’s a revolver, the Ruger GP100.

              • Just a guy

                That’s a good one. Pistols are one thing where you get what you pay for. And you can’t beat a revolver for reliability.

                You may already know this, but you can shoot 38 special through your GP100. Easier on your hands and your wallet for target practice.

      • Turner

        Thanks for answering the question directly and honestly. That you characterized it as “worthless” doesn’t surprise me. Hyper-defensiveness is part of your online persona. I hope you’re not that touchy in real life.

        I’ve considered relocating more than once. Through my travels I’ve come to especially admire the Scandinavian countries. If I had young kids, I’d prefer to have them educated there than here.

    • JC

      Turner, your comment is really a red herring, but I’ll respond, and try to tie it back to the topic. In a recent interview with The Nation, Edward Snowden was asked about patriotism:

      The Nation: …How do you define patriotism?…

      Snowden: What defines patriotism, for me, is the idea that one rises to act on behalf of one’s country. As I said before, that’s distinct from acting to benefit the government—a distinction that’s increasingly lost today. You’re not patriotic just because you back whoever’s in power today or their policies. You’re patriotic when you work to improve the lives of the people of your country, your community and your family. Sometimes that means making hard choices, choices that go against your personal interest.”

      So, when you invoke “love it or leave it” you’re committing the ultimate prejudicial act demanding that people love their country like you do. And if they don’t, then they should just go away.

      Well, as Snowden commented above, it is possible to love your country but hate your government and its policies. And the correct response to that would not be to wither away into the night in some foreign land, but to confront the powers that be and work for, and demand change. Patriotism can be a revolutionary act.

      As America’s main problem is its quest for empire, there is no foreign country that is immune to that force of evil. There is no “benevolent empire.” There is only a hegemonic force that is willing to subsume all that is evil (like the conscripted nazis in Liz’s post above) in order to do the bidding of its masters.

      I might say that Liz is one of the most patriotic Americans I know, knowing what I do about him and the work he accomplishes working for justice in his community. Asking him and others like us why we don’t leave the country for one we love more is a not-so-subtle form of bigotry more suitable for southern rednecks than a “liberal progressive.”

      • Turner

        I knew my remark would be misinterpreted by some (you) as fully endorsing the “love it or leave it” idea. I never accused Liz of not being patriotic, but if you want to think that I did go right ahead.

        I myself am pretty skeptical of the notion of patriotism. History shows us that nationalism leads to needless conflict. Liz and you may be patriots or you may not be. It doesn’t really matter to me.

    • The whole Paperclip thing long preceded the decision to base American foreign policy and propaganda around anti-communism. The US was bringing in SS agents along with scientists during and right after the war (SS + OSS = CIA, as I like to say.) The decision that the Soviets were to be the Evil Empire had nothing to do with actual Soviet activity, but rather with the US need for a cover story as it set out to attack the rest of the planet. They needed an enemy. These days it is “terrorism,” then it was “communism.” Same game, different name.,

  4. Part of growing up is to lose the rose-colored glasses about this place. Rather than do that, those wearing them suggest we who don’t should leave.

    Either share the mythology or shut up?

    (Swede, gun ownership legal in Canada.)

    • Strict regulations when it comes to pistols. No one may own a pistol with less than a 4.1 inch barrel.

      Because Canadians permit system it would be extremely hard to move north and bring along your handguns.

      • I am not familiar with this regulation, but assume that 4.1 inches is considered large in your world?




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