A Shelter Renewed

by lizard

Congratulations to everyone who made the new Poverello Center a reality.


  1. Steve W

    Congratulations to everyone who worked to make it so!

  2. Built it and they will come.

  3. Steve W

    Just like this blog, eh Swede?

    • The Proverello Center will fill to capacity eventually but will do nothing to solve the homeless problem.

      The word “homeless” is a nicer term for substance abusers. They’re homeless because of what they put in their mouth. I’m confident the the P Center won’t allow it’s residents unliminited access to drugs and alcohol so crime and vagrancy will still exist as it does currently.

      • JC

        I’d try and answer your comment point for point, but your level of ignorance about homelessness, it’s causes and solutions (and the role of the Poverello in providing services and solutions), that is too big of a row to hoe here.

        If I had one thing to say to you, it would be to go and volunteer at your local homeless shelter in Billings, talk to staff and clients, and look within, as but for the grace of god go you and i.

        • Myself and my family contribute to the Billings Rescue Mission.

          • lizard19

            why?

            • We think that religious backed shelters such as the RM and Salvation Army have a better success rate.

              • lizard19

                do you base this on evidence, or faith?

              • I’ll respond below.

          • JC

            My father used to call “contributions” guilty money if the contributors didn’t actually volunteer time with the agency they contributed to. He used to ring bell for the Salvation Army in his retirement. It’s much easier to toss in some coins or give a tax-deductible contribution to nonprofits than it is to get down and dirty in the trenches. Once you get inside an organization and do some work, you get a different perception of its clients and staff. And that perception is essential to building sane public policy and strategy.

            You already support the Billings Rescue Mission. Go volunteer some time there. It’s good for the soul.

            • There’s something about buying time in heaven for oneself in exchange charity for others on earth, as if capitalism invaded religion too. It’s nice, but cynical at the same time.

  4. Belief in God/Higher Being does help the downtrodden. The success rates of religious rehabilitation groups in prison have out preformed other methods.

    ” In a study of New York prisoners, studies found that those who participated in a Prison Fellowship Bible Study were rearrested drastically less compared to the amount of prisoners those whom did not. Of those who took part in the Bible study, 14 percent were rearrested within one year, compared to those who choose to not participate was 41 percent. In a similar case, at a Texas prison, out of 80 prisoners who took part in the Prison Fellowship, a whopping five percent are back in prison. In a Public Health Service, which is strongly Christian oriented, done of Teen Challenge’s Drug treatment program, by a Northwestern University doctoral student, it was found that it was more effective with the participants than that of its counterparts.”-Biggerstaff

    Combine that with the 12 Step Program that has helped thousands escape the clutches of alcoholism.

    We admitted we were powerless over alcohol—that our lives had become unmanageable.
    Came to believe that a power greater than ourselves could restore us to sanity.
    Made a decision to turn our will and our lives over to the care of God as we understood Him.
    Made a searching and fearless moral inventory of ourselves.
    Admitted to God, to ourselves, and to another human being the exact nature of our wrongs.
    Were entirely ready to have God remove all these defects of character.
    Humbly asked Him to remove our shortcomings.
    Made a list of all persons we had harmed, and became willing to make amends to them all.
    Made direct amends to such people wherever possible, except when to do so would injure them or others.
    Continued to take personal inventory, and when we were wrong, promptly admitted it.
    Sought through prayer and meditation to improve our conscious contact with God as we understood Him, praying only for knowledge of His will for us and the power to carry that out.
    Having had a spiritual awakening as the result of these steps, we tried to carry this message to alcoholics, and to practice these principles in all our affairs.

    There’s more to recovery than hot soup and a warm bed.

    • For once I have to agree with you. I am not religious but do know that it was religious people sparked the end of slavery in this country, and that they actually feed and clothe the poor and visit the prisons.

      And I know a few people who were very bad people and who lead better lives becasue of religion. If it takes irrational belief systems and a “higher power” to archive those results, so be it.

    • JC

      Now that the Poverello has a new facility with a decent meeting room, they will once again have the ability to host 12-step meetings if fellowships choose to start new meetings there. They used to have them in the old facility, until it became too cramped and unwieldy to continue there. And many clients from the Pov participate in local 12-step meetings, and find long term recovery in those fellowships.

      So it isn’t fair to castigate the Pov as you did above for doing nothing to solve problems. I know quite a few people who credit the Pov with giving them shelter and services when they most needed it so they could move their lives into a better place, including recovery from addiction, homelessness and unemployability.

      As to your comments about religion, remember that fellowships like NA refer to themselves as “a spiritual, not religious program.” And that it is through a “higher power” (which could be nothing more than the group) not a higher “being” like you mention, that a spiritual program is developed. The steps are not christian tools, as the steps have been translated into a multitude of languages and cultures. In fact, the largest growing 12-step fellowship in the world is in Iran, and is largely composed of recovering Muslim heroin addicts. And even AA has literature for atheists, as 12-step programs are full of people who are irreligious.

      • Actually my comment was meant specifically for Liz. That said if the Pov wants to head in that direction good for them. Shelters for the sole purpose of getting out of the cold lends few long term results.

        By the way the new trendy avatar is “Dead Cops”.

        • lizard19

          yeah, about your “evidence”. you do realize a shelter is different than a prison, right?

  5. lizard19

    Swede, I’ll respond again to you down here. when you make stupid claims about a service provider like the Pov doing “nothing” to solve homelessness you are more than simply wrong—you are profoundly ignorant. also, I guarantee that religious shelters like the Billings Rescue Mission cannot show they have better outcomes simply because they are a faith-based organization. and if you actually went there, in person, you will see similar populations with similar struggles trying to survive. anyone who actually provides services, whether from a place of faith or a secular desire to help those less fortunate, should be commended.

    • I’ve been there Liz, when I was in Jr. High my Dad and I would take our trumpets and go down and play during the short service before the noon meal. Every couple years my we would take one of our stock trucks and gather up contributions from the neighbors to give to the RM store to sell for operating expenses.

      But don’t call me ignorant until my original premise is proven. I’m saying in one year they’ll be the same amount of “homeless” if not more roaming the streets and back alleys of Mizo than there was before this grand opening.




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