Our Confusing, Violent World

by lizard

It is entirely predictable that western nations will be targeted by extremists. It is simply not possible to participate in wars and violent regime changes without some level of domestic blowback, as Patrick Cockburn points out in his piece today:

There is a feeling of inevitability about the attack in Paris.

The likelihood must be that the killers were Islamic fanatics, the murder of the journalists and police underlining the degree to which the ferocious religious war being waged in Iraq and Syria now affects all of the world. Regardless of whether or not those who attacked the Charlie Hebdo office have any direct connection with this conflict, it has provided an ideal seedbed for Islamic extremism.

It was culpably naïve to imagine that sparks from the Iraq-Syrian civil war, now in its fourth year, would not spread explosive violence to Western Europe. With thousands of young Sunni Muslims making the difficult journey to Syria and Iraq to fight for Isis, it has always been probable that some of them would choose to give a demonstration of their religious faith by attacking targets they deem anti-Islamic closer to home.

So it’s clear to those in the west this is a terrorist attack—a politically motivated act of violence. Getting much less attention here at home is the bomb that was set off outside a NAACP office in Colorado Springs. The suspect being sought by authorities is a balding, 40 year old white man:

An improvised explosive device was detonated against the exterior wall of a building housing the Colorado Springs chapter of the NAACP on Tuesday, officials said.

The explosion knocked items off the office walls but no one was injured.

Agents from the FBI Joint Terrorism Task Force and the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives went to the scene after the blast to gather evidence and place markers.

The FBI said that a gasoline can was placed next to the device but the contents did not ignite.

According to the the FBI, officials are seeking a “potential person of interest,” described as a balding white male, about 40 years old.

“He may be driving a 2000 or older model dirty, white pick-up truck with paneling, a dark colored bed liner, open tailgate, and a missing or covered license plate,” the FBI said in a statement said.

Don’t worry, my fellow white men, our media won’t call him a terrorist. A lone wolf, maybe. But based on the target, who can deny this is a politically motivated act of violence?

The world can be very confusing. Americans demand free speech for religious bashing and depictions of political assassination, but if you make threats toward law enforcement, you will be arrested. In Europe, extremely offensive images of the prophet Mohammad are ok, but a handful of countries have made denying the holocaust illegal and have banned the swastika. Politically motivated acts of violence are acts of terrorism only when dark skinned people with foreign sounding names commit them. When a balding white man in a pickup truck sets off a bomb, it most likely will not be described as an act of terrorism.

And so it goes.


  1. I am alwasy skeptical about these events, because they play into the hands of the powerful forces in the West who want to make continued war on the Muslim world. And, on the other hand, for weak people to attack powerful people and invite destruction on themselves is stupid. Historically, when stupid people are not available to perform the provocative deeds, other agents have to do it for them.

    Of course, I don’t know any of this. We will learn more in time. It simply has to be viewed as one possibility.

    Sometime read about “Operation Gladio,” the NATO/American stay-behind forces in Europe after World War II who were to be ready when the Soviets invaded. The Soviets never attacked, so Gladio devolved into terrorist cells, and the objective became a “strategy of tension,” to keep Western Europe in heightened alert. Gladio agents committed murders, terrorist bombings of shopping malls and the like, and assassinated the Italian prime minister, Aldo Moro, in 1978. Crimes, terrorist acts, committed by NATO.

    It’s all documented, and caused a huge scandal in Europe, but here in the land of the free, there is no knowledge of it. And my only point is that we should never assume the bad guys are not right here in our own hallowed temples.

    • Hallowed temples or Mosques?

      • Don’t know how to say this, Swede: Uncritical acceptance of government pronouncements in these matters does not, repeat, not make you a smart person.

        People with critical thought facilities and a knowledge of history withhold judgment. If the past is prescient, they are probably lying about what happened. They usually do.

        • Good thing we have some one of your critical knowledge and unbiased opinionated clarity to sort it all out for us.

        • I might not be all of that, Swede, but I am smarter than you.

          • Really? Reread my comment “critical knowledge” doesn’t necessarily mean general intelligence and a lofty IQ could be prejudiced against actual evidence.

            How many times have you seen pictures of plane wreckage in the Twin Towers debris and refused to acknowledge the event?

            • There wasn’t any. Nothing to acknowledge. There was an aircraft part “found” a couple of years ago, obviously planted. Anyway, the evidence there is vast and you’ve never look at any of it. So back off Jack.

              And I am not talking about anything more than this: You uncritically accept news reporting as true without question. In the matter of the shootings in France you have not withheld judgment, and are instantly and hatefully condemning Mullins as terrorists with no more knowledge that the TV says it is so.

              That is not smart. But your government depends on your ongoing credulity.

              • A Boeing 767 “obviously planted”.

                Smart guy.

              • evdebs

                I’m guessing that there’s nothing we can do to get you safely back on the planet.

                No airplanes on 9/11?

                Bwahhhh!!!

              • You guys have not looked at the evidence. Consequential you don’t know what you’re talking about. I have, and I do. Two of us here have pikced up fleeting impressions and uncritically accepted television pictures and news as truth, one of us has not.

                One of us is possessed of critical thought capacity, the other two not. Until such time as you actually look at the evidence, kindly leave me alone.

              • Swede, there was no aircraft debris at Ground Zero save a jet engine on a sidewalk that was from neither a 767 or 757, and was obviously planted. The official story is that the planes and all their parts burnt in the heat of the fires, except that passport from one of the hijackers, which miraculously survived. I do not know what you mean when you say there was a 767 there. Where? Show me a photo?

  2. evdebs

    “CIA deputy director and CBS News senior security consultant” Mike Morell (CBS Morning News, 1/7/15) gave his expert commentary on the Charlie Hebdo massacre, saying, “This is the worst terrorist attack in Europe since the attacks in London in July of 2005. We (?) haven’t lost this many people since that attack.”

    http://fair.org/blog/2015/01/07/remembering-victims-of-terror-and-forgetting-some-others/#respond

    FAIR points out that 56 people were killed in the London attacks, and 67 in the Norway attacks, mostly against progressive youths, by the white supremacist, Anders Breivik.

    So crazed Muslims are “terrorists” while anti-Islamic neo-Nazis are not, apparently, according to the CIA “expert.”

    A good friend of mine knew many of the deceased victims in that attack, so it’s very personal.

    • Someone should tell FAIR that Boko Haram just killed a record 2000+.

      http://www.romereports.com/pg157728-human-rights-watch-releases-boko-haram-death-toll-in-2014-en

    • But if you are honest, Ev, you have no clue who did these deeds, right? You’re merely repeating official truth without thinking much about motives and means, right?

      This is the problem. If it is on TV, called news, people think it is true. Period.

  3. Steve W

    I heard on the BBC this morning that the 18 year old in custody had been released because he was in class with lots of other students while the crime went down. Somehow someone made a mistake about that named participant.

    They also reported that the identification of the alleged 2 brothers was made because police found the drivers license of one of the brothers in their getaway car.

    I have to doubt that the people who could carry out this act with the military precision used would bring along their drivers license with them and then leave it in the car. Were they planning on buying milk and bread with a check on their way home? Why wear masks?

    Would our commandos do that? Would their’s?

    I find it highly doubtful.

    The NYT reported yesterday that one of the alleged brothers had joined the iraqi insurgency after seeing pictures of the US torture carried out at Abu Ghraib prison. Yet Chaney would do it again.

    And then some leftists satire newspaper gets wiped out.

    War is a lie.

    • Lie indeed. The brothers ID was a plant.

      Southern Baptists did it.

  4. Where is our next Churchill?

    “ndividual Moslems may show splendid qualities, but the influence of the religion paralyzes the social development of those who follow it. No stronger retrograde force exists in the world. Far from being moribund, Mohammedanism is a militant and proselytizing faith. It has already spread throughout Central Africa, raising fearless warriors at every step, and were it not that Christianity is sheltered in the strong arms of science, the science against which it (Islam) has vainly struggled, the civilization of modern Europe might fall, as fell the civilization of ancient Rome.”-Churchill.

    • JC

      “Christianity is sheltered in the strong arms of science”

      Don’t make me puke. What are you doing, calling for a christian jihad? If you remember, we already had plenty of that rot: the Crusades.

      “No stronger retrograde force exists in the world.”

      What about capitalism, which final state always reverts to feudalism?

      • I intrepid the “strong arms of science” as Patriot Missile technology vs Scud Missiles.

        When Muzzies finally achieve the science to deliver nuclear war heads we’ll see just who reverts into feudalism.

        • JC

          What about Pakistan? “Muzzie” nukes. And they have an agreement to sell/give nukes to the Saudis at will (Saudis help finance Pakistans nukes). Turkey? “Muzzie” nukes via christian NATO.

          And let’s not forget the biggest, baddest nuke-monger in the world is controlled by a “Muzzie” president.

          And I’d love to see christians apply the notion of “strong arms of science” to things like creationism, climate change and evolution.

        • JC

          Oh, and Iran already did “achieve the science to deliver nuclear war heads [sic]”:

          “Iran’s Shahab 3 & 3M missiles… would be able to deliver a nuclear warhead to many of the Middle East capitals and high-value targets.”

          Get with it. You’re falling behind the times. See, capitalism is already rotting your brain.

  5. Craig Moore

    Wow. Your racist strips are showing again to make such a charge. Now, are you familiar with Naveed Afzal Haq? http://www.nbcnews.com/id/14082298/ns/us_news-crime_and_courts/t/police-seattle-shooting-suspect-ambushed-teen/

    He was charged with 9 felonies under state law and none under federal law which provides for the crime of terrorism. In fact the local prosecutor said there is no evidence the shooting itself was an act of terrorism. Funny that?

    Also, did you notice in your haste to make your bogus charge, that the bomber was described as white? The recent shooting of 2 more police officers in the Bronx did NOT include any racial mention of the perpetrators. Why the disparity?

    • Steve W

      Learn to read Craig and your understanding will skyrocket.

      You will be able to answer your own questions. There is a big bright world out there for the literate, if only you would take the time and initiative to improve your lot.

      • “Learn to read” Craig is code speak for read our stuff.

        • Craig Moore

          USA Today is a place to start I guess. http://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2015/01/07/islam-allah-muslims-shariah-anjem-choudary-editorials-debates/21417461/

        • No, Swede. We really don’t think you know how to read. You give off little hints, as in never citing books or magazine articles, and making comments on blog pieces you obviously have not read. You’re a product of the modern age, a surface skimmer who jumps around various websites looking for confirmation of your biases. You show no guile.

          • larry kurtz

            “We?” You mean all the voices in your head?

          • You are another one who claims to read hours each day, and yet never offers anything up other than links. You too are a product of he modern age, the search engine brain, easy quick answers without painstaking pain-in-the-ass reading.

            • larry kurtz

              Can you follow a thread or are you talking to one of the voices in your head? Likely you’re just thick and Luddism is your religion of choice.

              • larry kurtz

                He’s talking to you, Mark. Care to answer?

              • You appear to be talking to yourself. Just curious, do you find yourself as boring as the rest of us do?

            • Do you ever make a comment having intellectual content? Ever?

              • larry kurtz

                Why do you have so many twitter handles, Toke?

              • I signed up a few times and never used them. I have one now, @mpthct that is the only one I use.

      • Craig Moore

        Steve, sorry if the point of rushing to convey the racial heritage of one criminal, while withholding the race heritage of other criminals, is lost on you. There are many such examples, someone of your reading and intellectual skills should have no problem finding them.

        • Steve W

          I read your article. They said the victims were Jewish and the shooter (who had easy unobstructed access to a weapon, thanks to the Government of Peace, the GOP) was a Muslim, Are you claiming they didn’t say the victims were Jewish and the shooter wasn’t a Muslim?????

          Like I said, reading comprehension would clear this up for you.

          “Police and the FBI are labeling the shootings a hate crime.”

          Sounds like a hate crime to me. Not to you, Craig?

          What I found interesting is this part.
          “One of the women wounded in Friday’s shooting — hit in the arm as she shielded her pregnant belly — helped bring the crisis to an end by crawling into her office, calling 911, and convincing her assailant to talk to dispatchers, Kerlikowske said.” (snip)

          “When Haq got on the phone with 911 operators, he identified himself by name and said, “This is a hostage situation and I wanted these Jews to get out,” according to a statement of probable cause.
          At one point, he told the dispatcher he wanted police to call the media and that he had a gun pointed at a woman’s head. He said he was acting alone and had not been drinking, court documents said.”

          So this person you label a “terrorist” had a change of heart about his hate crime and wanted to get his victims out and end the violence.

          His bail was $50,000,000.00 Too low Craig?

          I read your stuff, but I can’t for the life of me understand what you are whining about. The story you posted doesn’t support your bleating complaints. This was a hate crime and a tragedy, (from 2006) and a perfect example of the blow back Lizard wrote about in his OP.

          Learn to read for comprehension and quit grasping at straws for conformation bias to your own personal prejudices and your strange political theories.

  6. larry kurtz

    Sally Kohn @sallykohn · Dec 21
    Muslim shooter = entire religion guilty

    Black shooter = entire race guilty

    White shooter = mentally troubled lone wolf

  7. JC

    Paul Craig Roberts has a great read on this today:

    Another way of seeing the attack is as an attack designed to shore up France’s vassal status to Washington. The suspects can be both guilty and patsies. Just remember all the terrorist plots created by the FBI that served to make the terrorism threat real to Americans….

    This is too much foreign policy independence on France’s part for Washington. Has Washington resurrected “Operation Gladio,” which consisted of CIA bombing attacks against Europeans during the post-WW II era that Washington blamed on communists and used to destroy communist influence in European elections? Just as the world was led to believe that communists were behind Operation Gladio’s terrorist attacks, Muslims are blamed for the attacks on the French satirical magazine.

    The Roman question is always: Who benefits? The answer is: Not France, not Muslims, but US world hegemony. US hegemony over the world is what the CIA supports. US world hegemony is the neoconservative-imposed foreign policy of the US….

    The stories of Charlie Hebdo and the Tsarnaev brothers will be based not on facts but on the interests of government. As in the past, the government’s interest will prevail over the facts.

    • Mark Steyn’s take is better.

      • Not much of a take. He’s complete credulous about the offical story, clueless, in fact, that it may not be what it appears to be. He is completely without guile or skepticism. That makes him, in my book, just another dumb talking head. Two of them on the screen above are bookends.

    • Craig Moore

      Sometimes a horse is just a horse no matter what the imaginative schizo paranoia revealed by the writer. ‘A Beautiful Mind’ comes to mind. Revenge and honor punishment rarely are thought through other than being what they are. Read again the USA Today editorial, from the horses mouth, I linked above.

      • Ah, I love the musical cadence of the incurious mind. How dreadfully boring to be slack jawed while being fooled, again and again and again, only to say “a horse is just a horse.”

        Yes Craig. A horse is just a horse. Always trust your government, news is always truthful. And have Cheerios for breakfast evey day, and read your paper. Such excitement.

        • Craig Moore

          http://truthwillwin1.wordpress.com/2014/06/24/the-hypocrisy-post-of-the-day-brought-to-you-by-mark-tokarski/

          Did you really say, “My thoughts about messing with Lizard’s turf came after I went there. The aggressive stupidity is on display over there. I’ll keep my own here. You know what would happen, right? He’d get mad an ban me. It’s undignified to be banned, gives people too much power over you, and we walk into those situations eyes wide open.” In response to your narcissistic arrogance didn’t Douglass call you out by writing, “Your problem is that you’re the type of guy who mistakes sarcasm for intelligence. Your problem is that you’re the type of guy who uses self-congratulation as the basis for public policy. Your problem is that you leave snarky comments on blogs and then smirk at how witty and wise you imagine yourself to be.”

  8. lizard19

    it appears that 7 years ago Hebdo had no problem firing a cartoonist for a cartoon. of course it was deemed anti-semetic, so of course free speech doesn’t apply in those situations.

    • JC

      I think if people apply the “Gladio” principle, a linkage between “The Interview” and Hebdo is highly likely. Both incidents are intended to stir up free speech issues incurring vast quantities of moral outrage of people over “the others.”

      Let’s see what benefit the governments of the U.S. and France get from the outfall. We’ve already levied new sanctions on N. Korea. They’ll probably link the Hebdo patsies to Assad in some way and use it to intensify the urge to take him down.

      • steve kelly

        Jan. 5: “If Russia has a crisis, it is not necessarily good for Europe,” Hollande said during a two-hour interview with radio station France Inter. “I’m not for the policy of attaining goals by making things worse, I think that sanctions must stop now.” http://rt.com/news/219831-hollande-russia-lift-sanctions/

        Who benefits? Who’s pushing sanctions? How important is it to US neocons to keep France from breaking the “unified EU front” against Putin?

        Oh, that would never happen. Please pass the Cheerios.

        • You alwasy manage to make the big picture even bigger. Thank you.

      • Turner

        I’d like to know more about “incidents . . . intended to stir up free speech issues.” Who, specifically, intended to do this? Is there a single overarching evil intellect directing these events? Or is it a group of two or three such persons? Where do they meet to plan these plots to fulfill their intentions?

        If you have this information you should share it immediately so some action can be taken.

        • Steve W

          Did you know there were no WMD in Iraq before we invaded? I did. Scott Ritter was our UN weapons inspector and he brought the report from the UN weapons inspectors to many news media and pointed out that their were no WMD in Iraq.

          What good did that do?

          You are under the impression that having information can change things. It can’t. If it could, we wouldn’t have gone into Iraq for no good reason.

          There have been numerous reports about the massive theft that Wallstreet committed on the run up to the global melt down. What has that information accomplished in the way of changing anything? Did any of those crime get prosecuted? Did it change the way we do business? No. Is the answer.

          Why do you cling to the obviously inaccurate belief that having proof of a crime will result in a crime being addressed?

          It won’t. Get used to it, or don’t. Either way, proof doesn’t matter.

          • “..no good reason?” They had their reasons. We were simply not in the loop. Never are.

            • evdebs

              I was fortunate enough to have gone to a showing of Scott Ritter’s film on the inspections in August, 2008. I had the opportunity there to talk to him one-on-one for quite some time afterward about his experiences and takes on the situation. This was two months before Bush got his bogus resolution from the Senate which he used as a pretext for the supposed legitimacy of his invasion and occupation of Iraq.

              • evdebs

                Sorry. That showing and my talk with Ritter was in August 2002.

              • As a matter of course, and in all power centers throughout all of history, the real reasons for wars are never shared with the public. I think sometimes even if the truth would serve them better, they would still lie as a matter of policy.

          • Craig Moore

            Steve, you have made a definitive, categorical statement– ” there were no WMD in Iraq before we invaded”. If they weren’t their then how were the troops injured by them? http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2014/10/14/world/middleeast/us-casualties-of-iraq-chemical-weapons.html Please don’t respond with parsed drivel or an ad hominem distraction.

            • Steve W

              Don’t be obtuse, Craig. Don’t lie by omission. Don’t prevaricate. And don’t think i don’t know what you are. .

              • evdebs

                The “weapons” that were found and caused casualties were not usable, not in 2003, and probably not after 1996, when Iraq destroyed the vast bulk of such armaments. They were old artillery shells that had substantially deteriorated. Remember also, that the U.S. actually supplied Saddam with some of those weapons, when we were using him as a surrogate to fight Iran in the ’80s.

              • Craig Moore

                So you choose parsed drivel. No surprise there when you cannot support your claim and refute the NYT piece.

              • Craig Moore

                Perhaps, Steve, you can revive your DU nom de guerre to take a crack at it.

          • Turner

            The Merriam-Webster Dictionary defines “conspiracy” as “a secret plan made by two or more people to do something that is harmful or illegal.”

            The person claiming that a conspiracy is “the normal continuation of normal politics by normal means” is inventing a new definition which very few people will accept as valid.

            If you’re angry about corrupt government, decisions (some of them made in public and not at all secret) by wealthy people mainly to benefit themselves, justice being denied people who aren’t well connected, then I share your anger. But calling all these things a “conspiracy” is to rob the word of its meaning.

            Go ask Alice.

            “When I use a word,” Humpty Dumpty said in rather a scornful tone, “it means just what I choose it to mean — neither more nor less.”
            “The question is,” said Alice, “whether you can make words mean so many different things.”
            “The question is,” said Humpty Dumpty, “which is to be master – – that’s all.”

            • evdebs

              Lewis Carroll’s masterpiece, 144 years old: Still topical and one of my favorite all time quotes.

            • Steve W

              So since the terrorists announced they were with (sic) Al Queda in Yemen, that wasn’t secret. And what they did wasn’t secret, so it wasn’t a conspiracy? They committed their crimes right out in public, didn’t they?

              And since everybody knew Baucus was a crook, that wasn’t secret either.

              If only you had some proof of Baucus being a crook, would it have made any difference? I mean like his voting record or his campaign contributions?

              No conspiracy there.
              \
              Al Queda announced they didn’t like the West bombing and torturing and that they would respond. No conspiracy there.

              Bush and the Neocons announced it would take another Pearl Harbor to get America to start another world war, no conspiracy there.

              I wonder why more attorneys don’t bring the Merriam Webster into court to get the charges dropped against their clients.
              Those poor guys who had the publicly accessible medical cannabis store front and who gave tours to law enforcement
              only needed your dictionary to avoid the federal conspiracy charges that landed them in Federal Prison.

              I see you do this Alice in Wonderland thing really well, Turner.

              Good luck with that.

              • Turner

                Your thinking is getting all twisted up. Relax. Compose yourself. If you want to attack me, go ahead. But try to focus, develop one idea at a time. Find something I said or did and use it. Don’t just attribute stuff to me that I haven’t said or done.

              • Craig Moore

                It looks like your new friends have pissed off the wrong people. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/france/11335676/Hacktivists-Anonymous-says-it-will-avenge-Charlie-Hebdo-attacks-by-shutting-down-jihadist-websites.html

              • We’re gonna name a prize after you here soon. Keep it up.

              • Craig Moore

                Hey Mark, have you seem how your homies down in Venezuela are doing this days with their heavy handed market distortions? http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2015-01-09/venezuelans-throng-grocery-stores-on-military-protection-order.html

              • You are so effing clueless.

            • The person claiming that a conspiracy is “the normal continuation of normal politics by normal means” is inventing a new definition which very few people will accept as valid.

              The person making that claim, Carl Oglesby, was one of the better thinkers of the left in the 20th century. Of course you won’t read him, but if you did you’d find he was an above-the-battle guy, trying to understand the big picture.

              Even with out the stigma associated with “conspiracy” (as if exercise of critical thinking skills were a defect), it is not the best word to describe how our society functions. It is more like a consensus, and a mostly unspoken one, as people who share common interests don’t need to speak much.

              And it’s a mixture of motives – some pure evil. The clandestine services like CIA and FBI and all the others operate outside the law and in the shadows, and so keep everything away for the public. Every country has a dark side. Ours is immense and powerful. Every elected offical cowers in fear. .

              But the political classes too are mum, as they mostly know among themselves that the American public cannot govern itself, is uneducated, emotional, and often just stupid.

              So they treat the public like children, and it works. That is the key to politics. The public has to imagine it governs itself, and that keeps it out of the real business of running the country.

              None this is new. It goes back to the early twentieth century, and was put into words by prominent liberals of that time. Democracy is a sideshow, bread and circus for the crowds. Nothing more.

          • evdebs

            While few banksters (i.e. Rajat Gupta) got prosecuted, your use of the absolute is nothing but hyperbole. It is very difficult to change anything for the better if we don’t have the necessary information.

        • Reading, lots of it, will get you there. The Yankee and Cowboy War, 1976, by Carol Oglesby, is a nice little manageable book, and in it he draws on Quigley’s Tragedy and Hope, a 1300 page tome that has great explanatory use.
          Oglesby:

          The implicit claim … is that a multitude of conspiracies contend in the night. Clandestinism is not the usage of a handful of rogues, it is a formalized practice of an entire class in which a thousand hands spontaneously join. Conspiracy in the normal continuation of normal politics by normal means.

          What confounds people is the notion that as a standard practice and as a matter of policy “news” given to ordinary Americans, who are too dense to understand world affairs, is always comprised of lies and oversimplifications. We are not worthy of any more effort than that by our overlords.

          If you couple that with the attitude of most Americans, that if it is called “news” and is on a TV or computer screen, it is true, then you’ll understand why “conspiracy” as seen by the naive consumers of American news is foreign and distant and so unlikely. Almost always, it is not. Everything you see is a lie.

          Now you’ve done this before, Turner, asking people here to supply you with easy answers. It takes effort, and a lot of it on your part, to understand the world.

          • Steve W

            At which point Turner announces that he really has no interest anyway.

            I see it like the time the Beaverhead Democrats thought they would stage a grass roots rebellion against the obvious long time endemic corruption of our former US Senator, Max Baucus. They sent out word that they were thinking about not endorsing Max for reelection in 2008, since the y and everybody else knew he was a crook.

            So the union sent down a guy from Butte or Helena to speak to them and the Beaverhead Democrats rolled over and endorsed Max Baucus. Why? Because information doesn’t matter. We all know Baucus was the bag man for the Insurance Industry, the financial services industry, and for the MIC.

            Information doesn’t matter. The Beaverhead Democrats knew they were endorsing a gangster who laughs about that little kerfuffle to this day. They knew he was and is a crook.

            But what if they did refuse to endorse and people didn’t like them? What if their future political ambitions would be damaged? What if the union said mean things about them?

            Information doesn’t matter. No one who reads this from the former Beaverhead Democratic Committee will stand up and say, “Wow, we were completely and totally punked and we ran away like a bunch of scared children! I was completely made a fool of, by Max Baucus and some union rep.”

            Information doesn’t matter.

            What I want to know was if there was a conspiracy to endorse Max Baucus? I already know the answer. Yes, there was.

            And Turner was a willing participant in that conspiracy.

            Am I right or wrong Turner? Did you resign from the board because you knew Max was a crook? Or did you just turn and look away?

            So when it comes to issues like National Security, not some stupid local endorsement, who would stand up and say shit?

            • Turner

              I don’t know how we got on this tangent, but I have indeed resigned from the Beaverhead Democratic Party. And we never formally endorsed Max Baucus. The statement condemning Baucus for his sabotaging of single-payer that I wanted our committee to endorse didn’t get enough votes.

              • Steve W

                Turner, Glad to get “the rest of the story.” And allow me to formally apologize for my incorrect assumptions and the unfounded attack concerning the eventual outcome.

                If you had more proof of Baucus’ sabotage would you have gotten the votes? Or were there people on the board who wouldn’t have done a thing no matter what proof of sabotage you provided?

                Also, thanks for your attempt. to get that passed. I feel like a shit head for jumping to the conclusions I did.

                I don’t however, subscribe to just your narrow definition of conspiracy, since the word has much broader application in both the world and the law. Secrecy is certainly not a requirement for conviction on conspiracy charges as the Montana Cannabis case showed, since they had no secret plan. They in fact had a public mutual understanding, goal, and operation.

          • evdebs

            The “Yankee and Cowboy” author was Carl Oglesby.

            • Thanks, The book sits in front of me as mis-typed that. We were just having a conversation about him last night, which is why the book was even on my mind. The bottom line: He was a very good looking young man. hot, even. Not my words, however. I just thought he was a good writer.

        • JC

          Turner, just go and read about Operation Gladio. Many people think that it still is in operation. Info about Charlie Hebdo will slow leak out as the official story loses veracity.

          Reputable investigative journalists have already debunked the “official” story about who did The Interview hit. Here’s one take.

  9. One for u JC.

    #HandsUpDontShoot
    Hands up

  10. JC

    Looks like the republican proposal to cut back Homeland Security funding won’t happen because of Hebdo:

    “Just hours after Republicans filed their first action to defund parts of homeland security in order to stop President Obama’s executive action on immigration reform, a terrorist attack in Paris has them running away from themselves again.

    In the wake of the Paris magazine attacks that have reportedly killed 12 people including journalists and police, Senator Lindsey Graham (R-SC) is backing away from Republican threats to defund Homeland Security as their way to defeat President Obama’s executive actions on immigration reform.”

    Big win for der Homeland.

  11. JC

    Here’s a good one to see how tolerant christians really are:

    • Turner

      My French is pretty weak. “Twenty-three sea for three fathers”?

      • JC

        Yeah, the headline is a bit confusing, probably a bit of slang. The bottom part is pretty straightforward: The Father, the Son, the Holy Spirit.

        I particularly like that the holy ghost is symbolized by the eye of providence, which adorns the back of the U.S. dollar bill. It also is the symbol of freemasonry.

        • I’d watch out JC. The Rev. Mike Huckabee just issued a fatwa on your ass.

          • JC

            I’d make a good martyr.

    • Steve W

      While that is better than anything Swede has ever posted in his entire on line life, it still wasn’t that great.

  12. Eric

    The Quran isn’t ambiguous- it’s perfectly clear:

    The Quran:

    Quran (2:191-193) – “And kill them wherever you find them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out.

    The Quran’s verses of violence are dangerous. They are given the weight of divine command.

    I got ask though Liz – what does a nutcase trying to burn out a NAALCP office have to do with Muslims shooting up a publishers office in France, and murdering wounded, unarmed policemen?

    • JC

      So you take a Koran translation literally, but a Biblical one metaphorically? King James bible says this:

      13 …And when the LORD thy God hath delivered it into thine hands, thou shalt smite every male thereof with the edge of the sword:

      14 But the women, and the little ones, and the cattle, and all that is in the city, even all the spoil thereof, shalt thou take unto thyself; and thou shalt eat the spoil of thine enemies, which the LORD thy God hath given thee.

      15 Thus shalt thou do unto all the cities which are very far off from thee, which are not of the cities of these nations.

      16 But of the cities of these people, which the LORD thy God doth give thee for an inheritance, thou shalt save alive nothing that breatheth:

      17 But thou shalt utterly destroy them; namely, the Hittites, and the Amorites, the Canaanites, and the Perizzites, the Hivites, and the Jebusites; as the LORD thy God hath commanded thee:

      18 That they teach you not to do after all their abominations, which they have done unto their gods; so should ye sin against the LORD your God.

      Pretty graphic call to killing and violence if you ask me. And it has been taken literally, not metaphorically. Pretty much a call to genocide. This sort of phrase guided Manifest Destiny, wiping out most of the First Americans and their means/way of life.

  13. Craig Moore

    With world attention on France, it looks like Boko Haram has seized on the opportunity to kill thousands. http://www.amnesty.nl/nieuwsportaal/pers/nigeria-massacre-deadliest-in-boko-haram-s-history#.VK_8TGKEMPo.twitter

  14. larry kurtz

    Quick reminder: 52 million indigenous in the New World were wiped out by christianists: more than all other atrocities committed by religious sects combined.

    • Eric

      Larry, what does that possibly have to do, with Muslims terrorizing the press into not saying anything negative about them, for fear of being murdered?

      • See now, Eric? You saw it on TV, it was called “news” and so you automatically believed it to be true beyond doubt.

        What more need be said?

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